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re: How on God's green Earth did LSU have 6 straight losing seasons
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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yeah, but that doesn't meaning winning a big bowl os unimportant.
We can agree on that - Winning the conference (in the BCS era, there is a lot of running together, but stay with me) is more important than winning the Independence Bowl or even the Cotton (maybe). But, to say you win the SEC and get to the Sugar Bowl - heck, those are almost co-equal in importance.
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm constantly frustrated with the fact that people don't realize that LSU has played a ton of 12 game seasons. That didn't just start in the 90s.
who siad it did? They now play 12 regular season games vs 10 or 11 in the past. Also there are way more bowl games so its almost a gurentee to play 13. Yes 10-3 is better than 9-3, but what about 9-2-1? Winning % is a better standard, I think we can agree on that, and that Dietzel, Mac, Saban and Miles were all bettter coaches for LSU.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:so they aren't exhibition games?
holy crap, that is fricking stupid. The teams do not treat them as such.
I'm not saying teams don't prepare for them or that winning a big bowl game isn't important
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:11 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Arnsparger recruited more per year and higher profile.
how many of Arnspargers guys where from his first class, guys that Stovall was recruiting but were signed after BA became coach?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Yes 10-3 is better than 9-3, but what about 9-2-1?
Yeah, I think subjectively, 10-3 is better than 9-2-1, but if you count the tie as 1/2 win 1/2 loss, it's achingly close to 80 percent, and almost 2 points better than 10-3.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:13 pm to Sundance
Opening loses to Texas A&M each of those years hurt our motivation.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:14 pm to Vito Andolini
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How on God's green Earth did LSU have 6 straight losing seasons
from 1989 - 1994?
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:14 pm to Pilot Tiger
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so they aren't exhibition games?
define exhibition game?If you mean a meaningless game, which is the impression your comment gives, then no they are not. People care, teams prepare and want to win them. They are important. Would I rather go 0-3 in bowls and win 3 strait SEC titles over 3-0 in bowls with an SEC title? Probably, but it depends on the bowls, overall record etc.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:15 pm to Vito Andolini
Don't you know.....the students did yell
SUCK MY DICK at the games
That allowed the opposing teams to run at will against our defense.
SUCK MY DICK at the games
That allowed the opposing teams to run at will against our defense.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Winning % is a better standard, I think we can agree on that, and that Dietzel, Mac, Saban and Miles were all bettter coaches for LSU.
Arns is actually tied for 2nd with Saban in winning percentage. I have always treated him as an outlier, because of the three years - too small a sample. The year after he left, his hand-picked successor won 10 games, so maybe I should cut him some slack. I just hated the way he left. I transferred a lot of that to the current Alabama coach.
I'm emotionally involved - I only had one coach my first 13 seasons. In the past 30 I've had 7.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:17 pm to panzer
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Don't you know.....the students did yell
SUCK MY DICK at the games
80 year old grandmas were yelling much worse from the stands during Hallman's tenure.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:most bowl games are meaningless. They are exhibition games. Why did ND used to have a no bowl game policy? Why do some schools still turn down lesser bowls in favor of staying home?
define exhibition game?If you mean a meaningless game, which is the impression your comment gives, then no they are not
quote:bingo
Would I rather go 0-3 in bowls and win 3 strait SEC titles over 3-0 in bowls with an SEC title? Probably,
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:27 pm to Pilot Tiger
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most bowl games are meaningless.
to who?
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Why did ND used to have a no bowl game policy
I don't really care why someone had a policy over 40 years ago. Back then they voted on the NC before the bowls, now they do not.
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Why do some schools still turn down lesser bowls in favor of staying home?
That only occurs with marginal bowls and teams. 6-6 or 7-5 teams are not contending for conference titles and there are too many bowls, some lesser bowls may cost a school too much. I'd certainly rather win the SEC than the Music City Bowl. But winning bigger bowls is important, even if you don't winn the conference.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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how many of Arnspargers guys where from his first class, guys that Stovall was recruiting but were signed after BA became coach?
Stovall gets credit, like Hallman to DiNardo, for an assist, but the guy who signs them is the guy who gets credit.
ETA: Arnsparger got 5 his first yr, and Stovall got 4 his first year.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:53 pm to Vito Andolini
Joe Dean was the problem....
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Don't you know.....the students did yell
SUCK MY DICK at the games
80 year old grandmas were yelling much worse from the stands during Hallman's tenure.
Sadly, they were yelling that at our coaches, not the other team.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:09 pm to Big_Al_316
I was there from 1990-1995.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:20 pm to Vito Andolini
Archer won with Arnspargers' players for a couple years, but he could not recruit well. The cupboard was bare by the time Hallman got there, and you could argue he was even worse.
Poor coaching, even worse recruiting, general lack of talent and leadership.
Combine that with the fact that Texas A&M was good, and cleaning up the Houston area. Recruits also left Louisiana for Miami, Florida, and Florida State.
Poor coaching, even worse recruiting, general lack of talent and leadership.
Combine that with the fact that Texas A&M was good, and cleaning up the Houston area. Recruits also left Louisiana for Miami, Florida, and Florida State.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:21 pm to tigerden851
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I think Bill Arnsbarger started the decline. He could really coach but could not recruit.
Wrong. Archer won for two years with Arnsparger's players (87, 88). He did not leave the cupboard bare. Archer left the cupboard bare.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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Arnsparger never had a team like 1962 or 1969. Mac had more top 10 finishes than Arnsparger had seasons.
Mac never reproduced a 1969 after that, though. He straight up sucked arse in the mid-1970s. His improvement in the late 1970s was too little, too late.
Also, it is worth pointing out that Arnsparger had as many SEC titles as Mac (1).
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