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re: How much can LSU pay for a MBB coach?
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:41 am to basiletiger
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:41 am to basiletiger
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You are using a coach as an example who is arguably the top Coach in the country, literally a one percenter. To try and compare LSU to what Pearl has built at Auburn is down right comical!
No. I'm using the exact criteria you used to argue LSU has "no talent" to show you that the No. 1 team in the nation appears to have comparable talent according to your metrics.
LSU's overall (freshman + transfers)/transfer class was ranked 22/63 (per 247). Auburn's overall/transfer rank was 18/54
You cite LSU's signing/transfer class ranking to prove the players are "bad". Yet, Auburn's signing/transfer class is only marginally better.
You say LSU's players suck because they are mostly mid-major transfers. Yet, I show you that 4 of Auburn's 6 leading scorers this year are either mid-major transfers or even JUCO/D-II transfers.
Therefore, by using your logic, not mine, the only conclusions that can be drawn are either LSU's talent isn't that bad when compared to the roster of the No. 1 team in the country...OR the roster of the No. 1 team in the country isn't really that talented.
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:54 am to HighRoller
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This argument is so old and wrong. Last year Missouri replaced its entire team with a bunch of D2 players from the new coaches old school. They made the tourney. But LSU is unable to do that? Give me a break
This post currently has 29 upvotes and 0 downvotes.
Missouri basketball was 8-24 overall. 0-18 in SEC play last year.
It’s another perfect example of how intelligent basketball conversations amongst LSU fans are almost non-existent now. Also a perfect example of the apathy that has set in on this program, which will likely only get worse.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:55 am to Alt26
Comparing 1 recruiting class to the overall talent Level of Auburn's basketball team vs. LSU basketball team is down right laughable.
DJ Bailey wouldn't start for McNeese this year, Givens wouldn't start for McNeese this year.
The only for sure starter on LSU's team that could start at McNeese right now would be Carter....
DJ Bailey wouldn't start for McNeese this year, Givens wouldn't start for McNeese this year.
The only for sure starter on LSU's team that could start at McNeese right now would be Carter....
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:56 am to basiletiger
Auburn only has 2 top 100 recruits on the roster
Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:58 am to basiletiger
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DJ Bailey is a role player at best in the SEC on every team.
What role would that be?
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He wouldn't start at McNeese this season
Really? I’d be interested to see how you formulate this argument.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:00 am to Mats86
It's a simple equation.
Javon Garcia, Q Copeland, and Sincere Parker are all light years ahead of Bailey.
You don't know basketball if you think otherwise.
Javon Garcia, Q Copeland, and Sincere Parker are all light years ahead of Bailey.
You don't know basketball if you think otherwise.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:03 am to basiletiger
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Comparing 1 recruiting class to the overall talent Level of Auburn's basketball team vs. LSU basketball team is down right laughable.
Isn't that exactly what you did to tell us why LSU's roster has no talent?
I'm just working off of your criteria/numbers for talent evaluation.
Or were you not the person who said this...?
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overall rank of last years class #22.
Transfer portal rankings #63
This team has no DAWGS! It can't be argued.
It's a team of mostly mid major guys.
Stop with the "We are so talented."
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:09 am to Alt26
If your claim to winning this mild debate is that Matt is just a horrible X and O's coach then you've lost.......
Ya'll were all screaming when he was hired that he was an X and O's guru.............now it's crickets.....
Ya'll were all screaming when he was hired that he was an X and O's guru.............now it's crickets.....
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:26 am to basiletiger
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Javon Garcia, Q Copeland, and Sincere Parker are all light years ahead of Bailey
You must be a Mcneese fan. But I don’t even think all these guys start.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:28 am to basiletiger
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If your claim to winning this mild debate is that Matt is just a horrible X and O's coach then you've lost.......
Maybe I have. But based on what exactly?
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Ya'll were all screaming when he was hired that he was an X and O's guru.............now it's crickets.....
"Ya'll (as in me) have never screamed that he was a great X's and O's coach. In fact, with every passing game/year I am 1000% sure the issue with the program is his coaching...not the recruiting.
That's NOT to say LSU has a roster good enough to be one of the best teams in the country. But then again, when you look at Auburn, who is (currently) ranked as the best team in the country, it's harder to make that argument when you consider their roster is primarily comprised of primarily "mid-major/JUCO/D-2 transfers along with a handful of 4 star HS recruits...not all that dissimilar from LSU's roster.
This year's roster is not THAT bad of a roster. Last year's roster was not that bad of a roster. The year before that's roster was not THAT bad of a roster. But when you keep flipping the roster and getting largely the same results you start to look at commonalities. The common tie that binds here is the anchor on the sideline stoically peering out over the court like Lincoln at the Lincoln memorial while the program loses game after game.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:30 am to basiletiger
So McMahon basically ran Tyrell ward off bc he was all in on Dji Bailey . While Bailey is a very good role player and someone who can help you win , in no world should you ever basically be ok with losing ward , a guy who was going into is third year and has more talent then just an anyone on your roster . This along with many other head scratching roster decisions McMahon has made in his 3 years is the main reason I don’t think he ever will do anything here . He seems to think he’s still in the mid major level , and he has no idea about rotations and roster management it takes to win in the SEC
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:35 am to Mats86
They don't all have to start. Copeland and Garcia are starters and Sincere gets starters minutes. All could take Bailey to school.....
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:45 am to basiletiger
Yeah, you are definately a Mcneese homer.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:49 am to polarbear6
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This along with many other head scratching roster decisions McMahon has made in his 3 years is the main reason I don’t think he ever will do anything here . He seems to think he’s still in the mid major level ,
I think that is the only logical explanation.
In year one LSU is getting drummed nightly in the SEC. Yet, he doesn't give highly rated freshman Ward and Phillips any meaningful minutes until either LSU was being blown out in a game or, in the last 6-7 games of the season. You're losing every game...by a lot! What's the harm of putting in some younger players to (1) see if they can provide a spark or (2) at least get them some meaningful minutes, even if the ultimate result is a loss?
Last year he redshirts Chest. Reed and Baker weren't great rebounders and LSU lacked toughness inside. If nothing else, Chest could have seemingly given you some help on the glass. Something that may have provided the difference and gotten you 1-3 more wins. Which would have been big. Instead, he sits all year to "develop".
This year Chest was STILL going to sit and "develop" but for fate intervening. He played 3 total minutes in the first two games. One of those being vs. Alabama St. where not only was LSU trailing at the half, they were getting pummeled on the glass. Chest was not going to play at KSU. Then he gets forced into action because Fountain is hurt in warmups and all he does is grab 13 rebounds in 21 minutes...providing one of the biggest reasons for the win.
We also have this year Mike Williams, who played in all 33 games last season. While he had his bad moments he also contributed quite a bit. Now he's been buried behind the walk-on's for PT. We also have Derek Fountain being buried on the bench as well despite being a contributor for two years prior. The only SEC game this year LSU was remotely close to winning was Vanderbilt. The difference in that game was Vandy dominating LSU on the glass. Robert Miller plays nearly 19 useless minutes in that game, grabbing a whopping 1 total rebound in the process. You're standing there watching your team get blasted on the glass and never consider trying a guy who, at times over the last 2 seasons has shown you he will at least put forth effort to rebound?
It's as if he's perpetually building towards next year...in what has become a year to year sport.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:57 am to Mats86
I've had season tickets for LSU basketball longer than you've been following basketball.
If calling me a mcneese homer makes you feel better about your lack of knowledge of talent than so be it.....
If calling me a mcneese homer makes you feel better about your lack of knowledge of talent than so be it.....
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:59 am to LSUbasketballfan
quote:I assume the poster was referring to the previous season since he mentioned "new coaches". They did, in fact, have a one year turnaround with Gates and made the NCAAT. They did crash to 0-18 like you said last season.quote:This post currently has 29 upvotes and 0 downvotes.
This argument is so old and wrong. Last year Missouri replaced its entire team with a bunch of D2 players from the new coaches old school. They made the tourney. But LSU is unable to do that? Give me a break
Missouri basketball was 8-24 overall. 0-18 in SEC play last year.
It’s another perfect example of how intelligent basketball conversations amongst LSU fans are almost non-existent now. Also a perfect example of the apathy that has set in on this program, which will likely only get worse.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:05 am to basiletiger
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DJ Bailey is a role player at best in the SEC on every team.
He's a 22% 3 point shooter.
A person's opinion on Dji is a litmus test to see how much they understand basketball.
Although yes he is not a good 3pt shooter, he is good at everything else and an elite defender. He is a quality piece, a mature glue guy that any team would kill to have.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:07 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Love Bailey as a player but if it meant losing Ward to get him McMahon made a mistake.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:29 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Elite defender yet we can't get out of our own way in the SEC and he's a turnover machine.....please continue.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:30 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
have you ever played organized basketball in your lifetime or you just shoot from the hip.....? asking for myself.
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