re: How long has it been since we has a great Oline?

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I still wouldn't classify that unit as a dominate unit

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Every starter from that team made an NFL roster. Two of those guys Damien Lewis and Cush signed big second contracts. Ed Ingram is making 3.5 million this year playing for the Texans. Pretty good from my perspective.

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why is "dominate" mocked a couple of times in this thread?

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Because the usage called for “dominant”, the adjective, not “dominate”, the verb.

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Also couldn't run block for shite. I mean, that has to fall at Brad Davis' feet, right? You get your 4 starters all drafted, yet they couldn't open a hole for a mosquito to fly through.

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I've said this before, but many of you are some dumbass MFers who are blaming Brad Davis.

Jayden Daniels with a completely fresh new OL with 2 true freshman and a redshirt sophomore transfer from FIU

Goodwin 5.93 ypc 45 carries
Willams 5.47 ypc 98 carries
Cain 5.4 ypc 75 carries
Emery 4.93 ypc 76 carries
Daniels 4.7 ypc 186 carries (that was with a ton of sacks included)



Jayden Daniels 2023 with OL

Daniels 8.40 ypc 135 carrries
Diggs 5.5 ypc 119 carries
Kaleb Jackson 5.3 ypc 31 carries
Williams 5.16 ypc 51 carries
Noah Cain 4.9 ypc 37 carries

Nussmeier with same OL, but 1 year older 2024

Williams 117 carries 4.12 ypc
Jackson 44 carries 3.41 ypc

If you remove the 90 yard TD run Caden Durham had vs South Alabama, you get 139 carries at 4.76 ypc instead of the 5.38 he had with it.

If you look back on the Jayden Daniels era, no RB had a significant run that would skew his stats so largely. That's because LSU had a bunch of average RBs. None of the RBs under Daniels were dynamic. They couldn't create on their own in the run game. However Nuss has two in Harlem Berry and Caden Durham. The fact that one long run was the difference between Caden Durham averaging 5.4 ypc and 4.76 ypc with an OL that was ultimately older and more experienced than the one Jayden Daniels had BOTH YEARS, speaks volumes. Jayden Daniels and Mike Denbrock had no problems getting the most out of average RBs.

Truly believe talent isn’t the main issue, it’s technique and coaching in general

2019 imo. Those guys were good.

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Not saying the '19 isn't the GOAT, but no OL ever benefitted from skill personnel, scheme, play calling as much as it did.

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Truth! And no group of LSU skill people ever benefitted so much from great offensive line play. These are the reasons that offense was so dominant (Checks form of dominant/dominate).

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Well whatever it is, LSU has been doing something horribly wrong in the run game since Kelly has been here whether it’s incompetent linemen, no Oline coaching in practice, bad uncreative play calling, or just the wrong type of RBs for this scheme

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I think it's the overall scheme.

What we think of as a great line: the Miles era (obviously not Fournette vs Bama, but same scheme)... big OL pushing and leaning on the defense. QB lining up under center, 1 or 2 TE, RB lined up deep. RB is moving at the snap, gaining momentum, and either takes handoff from QB or takes the toss.

Current scheme, line seems stagnant, maybe for RPO and similar. No great push. Meanwhile, the QB is in the shotgun, the RB standing next to him not moving at the snap, waiting to be handed the ball.

Old scheme gets the big back a little momentum, he might break through a crease, or may just hit the pile and move it a yard or 2. 2nd and 6.
Current scheme, it's a big muddled mess, and the back looks to see who is tied up. He can maybe break it outside, but the interior is jammed. No gain, unless he skates free.
The Pistol might help some, but doesn't seem to do a whole lot for us.

Tradeoff is that the new scheme is more QB friendly, so we have better pass production.