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re: How long does Joe Aleva have before someone comes forward and shite cans him?

Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:14 pm to
The man hired Ed Orgeron to be the coach. Just by doing that makes me think he’s the dumbest a-hole on the planet. Ed Orgeron No other AD in the country would hire ed to be a head coach but alleva did. He can’t be fired fast enough
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26903 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

As long as the money keeps flowing in, Joe Alleva isn’t going anywhere, period


The money (voluntary donations, single-game tickets sales, etc) is rapidly decreasing.

Alleva does not get to take credit for recently soaring TV revenues, of which he has nothing to do with. (See SEC network and CFB Playoff payouts)

There is also projected to be a significant decline in football season tickets sales for 2018.

Alleva is a lame duck AD that has lost the support and financial commitment of the fanbase with Miles-Florida-Orgeron-Ensminger. It’s just a matter of time before his dismissal becomes official.

With Alleva out, Orgeron will be next unless he can pull off a 10-win 2018 season.
This post was edited on 1/21/18 at 6:23 pm
Posted by HotMama79
Member since Sep 2012
291 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:16 pm to
I was there Friday night and heard no booing at Aleva
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

How long does Joe Aleva have before someone comes forward and shite cans him?


To answer your question directly Aleva's near-term future at LSU rest squarely on Orgeron's success. Alleva will last only as long as Orgeron last it is literally that plain and simple.
Posted by Mikey P
Gulfport, MS
Member since May 2017
535 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:34 pm to
Why did TenthTiger's post from yesterday about Alleva's status get whacked?
Posted by nvcowboyfan
James Turner Street, Birmingham,UK
Member since Nov 2007
2972 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:57 pm to
Darn good question. Either because it was based on rumors or the long hand if the BOS is reaching to TD now
Posted by Tall Tiger
Golden Rectangle
Member since Sep 2007
3791 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 7:08 pm to
Nitwit's post is spot on. The problem is the current governor is actually worse than Jindal, which is no small feat, so the new appointments will be political hacks and big donor plaintiff lawyer types who won't improve the situation.

2018 is a big year for Oregon, and his hiring proxy Alleva, because the Orgeron tenure is now long enough to have all his recruits playing. No more blaming poor results on players who never should have been brought in and/or were poorly developed by Miles. It's sink or swim for this bunch, and unfortunately for them, the 2018 schedule is brutal.
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
2513 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 7:23 pm to
Not to fear. Inside info says he's gone after the 2031 playing year. He'll be 89 then,
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
45936 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 7:35 pm to
They have exactly what that what. A smoldering dumpster fire ??
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35251 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:01 pm to
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I was there Friday night and heard no booing at Aleva


It happened. It wasn't the whole arena...but there was audible booing from a few random people for a couple seconds
Posted by bengalfan50
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
2628 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:29 pm to
quote:

I was reading a thread on this board a few minutes ago addressing the heat that is being put on Alleva, then poof! The thread disappeared into thin air.....

This one?

quote:

From tenth tiger

Sorry ive been away. I love some basketball so ive been preoccupied with that as opposed to posting. But anyway, onto what we are really here for :

Joe has received a handwritten letter on his desk from a certain person who has control over his future.

I have not seen this letter. I only have bits and bobs.

What I know.. He is currently being "evaluated" to see if what hes done fits the "LSU standard". After multiple complaints as well as attention being brought to his lack of effort when searching for suitable candidates for coveted staff positions..I can accurately say that all of his results are being looked over at this time.

This by no means indicates he is fired. Just that he is now being held accountable for the "lack of preparation and unwillingness to find the best fit for LSU athletics."

He will have a meeting, during which several topics will be discussed.

One being that the offensive coordinator job was not given proper attention. The second I can confirm is a failure to ensure the HC puts forth the LSU standard of play LSU expects on and off the field. Canada apparently revealed quite a bit about Coach O and while they havent completely taken his word, they have taken it into consideration.

Money being withheld from valuable donors has forced the hand of the higher LSU guys, and this is what has brought about this inevitability.

As always, hope this helps and Geaux Tigers .
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4139 posts
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

Alleva didn’t find Wade. Eddie Nunez did.


Beat me to it. Can we get Eddie back as AD?
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
25783 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:19 am to
What grounds do we have to fire him right now? He just made his best hire of his career in Will Wade. Baseball went to the title game last year (he's kept Mainieri around). He's paid to keep his other best hire in Beth Torina. Facilities continue to be upgraded (the PMAC looks so much better with the new video board). Football just went 9-4 in Ed O's first full season.

The Ath Dept makes so much money that we have given millions back to the universtiy.

SO again, right now, what grounds do we have to dismiss him? If football fails, sure go ahead. But that's two years away at least. (if at all)
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
61297 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:23 am to
quote:

It’s going to take a talented AD to pull LSU out of mediocrity which is where it is now


The head hanchos don’t view record revenues as mediocre. That’s what they see.
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8495 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:32 am to
quote:

The head hanchos don’t view record revenues as mediocre. That’s what they see.

Alleva has had little to do with that. Most of the increase in revenue is due to the SEC TV deal. Yes, Alleva squeezed a little extra revenue out by destroying the football gameday experience, but that also reduces interest in football long-term.

And if the BoS can't see that LSU football being bad is going to cause people to quit going to games, and thus a major loss of revenue, then they are just as useless as Joe Alleva.
Posted by AA77
Member since Jan 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:39 am to
He has appointed 3, and judging by 2 of 3 picks I wouldn't get to optimistic about the quality of his future picks.

Mary Werner: Who is a failed political candidate and has no real qualification for being on the BOS other than being Buddy Leach's daughter.

Glenn Armentor: Who has reputation of being pretty dirty personal injury lawyer who raised a lot of money for JBE.

James Williams: Another lawyer who raised money for JBE is the incoming chair, but he's decent guy with a very good reputation.
Posted by Martin Blank
Member since Sep 2005
397 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:46 am to
You're confusing the concepts of termination, and termination for cause.

Alleva can be fired tomorrow morning, for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all so long as it's not a legally prohibited reason (race, religion, etc.). You just have to pay him his annual base salary ($525,000) from now until June 30, 2020, mostly in montly installments over twice the remaining time.

If you want to fire Alleva without paying him, you have to do it "for cause." Those "causes" are spelled out in his contract. Most of them are NCAA related, gambling, etc. He can be terminated for failure to uphold his duty to lead the Ath. Dept. "in such a manner as to allow its athletic teams to effectively compete in (the NCAA)," but that clause specifically says that the performance of any one team doesn't trigger the clause. Also, while 9-4 isn't anyone's idea of what we want for LSU football, it's 1000 miles from being bad enough to terminate an AD for cause.

So LSU doesn't need any "grounds" to fire him at all. They just need about $400,000 up front, and $14,000 a month for the next four years. Give or take.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
25783 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:38 am to
I'm not referring to "legal grounds" as spelled out in his contract. I'm referring to the "why now?" People are calling for his head as if we just got the hammer laid down on us from the NCAA or something. What has occurred on the field or in the classroom that justifies firing him right now?
Posted by Martin Blank
Member since Sep 2005
397 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:06 am to
Gotcha. If the Tenth Tiger post has any truth to it at all, it sounds like reason would be the general Orgeron/Alleva/Canada triangle that appears to have started with the Troy St. game, and ended with firing an OC with enough cause to pay him less than all of the buyout, but not enough cause to avoid paying him at least some of the buyout.

If he's right, there's probably a lot more too it than we realize, which LSU's kept beat writers aren't gonna find out for us.
Posted by tigertex1992
Houston
Member since Apr 2014
1863 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:12 am to
I think most people just hate the idea of waiting until we're 3-8 before it's completely undeniable that the flippant way in which the head coach hiring process was conducted is to blame. Yeah I know, 3-8 will likely never happen, and nobody really wants it to. More likely is just continuous mediocrity, which will leave plenty of room for Alleva and Orgeron to hide behind the usual excuses.
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