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How Heisman voting works- just an FYI. Jayden is in good shape.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:56 am
Total votes:
There are 928 electors
- 870 college football media members
-57 living Heisman winners
-1 overall fan vote
The player with the total number of points wins the award- NOT TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES
Points awarded by ranking on ballots
1st place vote: 3 points
2nd place vote: 2 points
3rd pace vote: 1 point.
Jayden will at worse get some 2nd place votes worth 2 points each on some ballots.
So even if Penix or Nix get some 3 point 1st place votes between them, they won’t get enough 1st place 3 pointers to overcome JD5.
There are 928 electors
- 870 college football media members
-57 living Heisman winners
-1 overall fan vote
The player with the total number of points wins the award- NOT TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES
Points awarded by ranking on ballots
1st place vote: 3 points
2nd place vote: 2 points
3rd pace vote: 1 point.
Jayden will at worse get some 2nd place votes worth 2 points each on some ballots.
So even if Penix or Nix get some 3 point 1st place votes between them, they won’t get enough 1st place 3 pointers to overcome JD5.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:58 am to Covingtontiger77
Great summary, but I think there might be some voters, specifically in the PAC 12, that will intentionally hurt JD5s chances.
I could see them doing 1/2 with Penix/Nix and then 3 with someone else.
I could see them doing 1/2 with Penix/Nix and then 3 with someone else.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:00 pm to TheJuicey
quote:
Great summary, but I think there might be some voters, specifically in the PAC 12, that will intentionally hurt JD5s chances.
Burrow received 3 third-place votes and was left off of 42 ballots.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:00 pm to TheJuicey
quote:
Great summary, but I think there might be some voters, specifically in the PAC 12, that will intentionally hurt JD5s chances.
I could see them doing 1/2 with Penix/Nix and then 3 with someone else.
I don't think you're wrong, but I don't think there will be enough of an organized effort to make it happen
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:02 pm to RATeamWannabe
quote:
I don't think you're wrong, but I don't think there will be enough of an organized effort to make it happen
Agreed. And the fact that Harrison was invited tells me Penix didn’t really get that much support.
I think the vote came in as follows:
1) JD5
2) Nix
3) Penix
4) Harrison
With 3 and 4 being closest.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:02 pm to Damone
quote:
Burrow received 3 third-place votes and was left off of 42 ballots.
If I went back and checked the numbers, rotated them, and squinted I might be able to finagle one player other than Burrow.
But anyone who had 3 should lose their ballot privileges.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:03 pm to Covingtontiger77
I'm just glad there is no candidate from Bama. The committee would simply disregard the votes and appoint the bama candidate the winner.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:05 pm to LSUROXS
I'm just glad there is no candidate from Bama. The committee would simply disregard the votes and appoint the bama candidate the winner.
Voters can vote for anyone, I will bet a mortgage payment Bama QB gets votes, even a few 1st place
Voters can vote for anyone, I will bet a mortgage payment Bama QB gets votes, even a few 1st place
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:07 pm to Covingtontiger77
JD will get the most 1st place votes by far & will win
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:07 pm to Covingtontiger77
where does the fan vote come from?
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:08 pm to crazzycajun
Fan vote
1st place 3 pts
2nd place 2 pts
3rd place 1 pt
1st place 3 pts
2nd place 2 pts
3rd place 1 pt
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:09 pm to Damone
"Burrow received 3 third-place votes and was left off of 42 ballots."
And Caleb Williams, despite an easy win last year, was left off 154 ballots.
Omissions could come into play in a very close final tally, which hopefully this one will not be.
And Caleb Williams, despite an easy win last year, was left off 154 ballots.
Omissions could come into play in a very close final tally, which hopefully this one will not be.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:09 pm to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Agreed. And the fact that Harrison was invited tells me Penix didn’t really get that much support.
Nope, since 2021 they invite the top 4 regardless of any drop off in votes. Doesn’t have anything to do with “close-ness” in votes
ETA: & every time I post this, someone downvotes it like the Heisman website is wrong
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:13 pm to JimTiger72
Harrison as a finalist is a joke when you compare him to Nabers numbers. I just don't get it!! And I'm not saying Nabers should be a finalist, but the media infatuation with MHJ is a joke.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:13 pm to secfballfan
If Harrison is #4 than that means people voted before the Ohio St Michigan game
Which means some likely voted before the Washington Oregon game
and some voted before other conf championship games
It might bode well if votes were cast before all that since Jayden didn't get an extra game
I'm sure Milroe picked up some votes based on the Auburn throw and beating UGA but was a little too late to get any real momentum but likely sets him up well for next season
Which means some likely voted before the Washington Oregon game
and some voted before other conf championship games
It might bode well if votes were cast before all that since Jayden didn't get an extra game
I'm sure Milroe picked up some votes based on the Auburn throw and beating UGA but was a little too late to get any real momentum but likely sets him up well for next season
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:16 pm to Damone
quote:
Burrow received 3 third-place votes and was left off of 42 ballots.
Some of these voters are pettier than a 14-year-old girl.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:16 pm to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Jayden is in good shape.
Breaking news
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:19 pm to Covingtontiger77
The Athletic did a straw poll of actual Heisman voters last week before the conference championship games.
Jayden and Nix had the same amount of first place votes (16 each), but Nix had the most points because Nix had twice as many 2nd place votes as Jayden (10 to 5) and Jayden had twice as many 3rd place votes as Nix (10 to 5).
This makes me believe there are West Coast voters who will put Penix and Nix 1st and 2nd, and will place Jayden at 3rd. Hopefully, this is a small percentage of the voters.
I think after the games last weekend Jayden will get more first place votes than anyone else and it should be enough to overcome the ballots that have him at 3rd.
Jayden and Nix had the same amount of first place votes (16 each), but Nix had the most points because Nix had twice as many 2nd place votes as Jayden (10 to 5) and Jayden had twice as many 3rd place votes as Nix (10 to 5).
This makes me believe there are West Coast voters who will put Penix and Nix 1st and 2nd, and will place Jayden at 3rd. Hopefully, this is a small percentage of the voters.
I think after the games last weekend Jayden will get more first place votes than anyone else and it should be enough to overcome the ballots that have him at 3rd.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:21 pm to nicholastiger
"If Harrison is #4 than that means people voted before the Ohio St Michigan game"
That game was played on November 25th.
The Heisman ballots were not distributed until two days later, on November 27th.
That game was played on November 25th.
The Heisman ballots were not distributed until two days later, on November 27th.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:27 pm to Damone
quote:Please tell me the votes aren't anonymous after the fact. How could Burrow be left off any ballot if the person was taking this seriously?
Burrow received 3 third-place votes and was left off of 42 ballots.
IMO, if you are obviously seen not to take it seriously, you should be permanently banned from voting.
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