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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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you clearly didn't pay attention to the sec this year. the sec west winner had 4 losses. 1 team in the east had less than 4 losses. 1 team in the West had less than 4 losses. 5 East teams had at least 6 losses 3 west teams bad at least 6 losses let that sink in. 8 sec teams had at least 6 losses
They don’t want to hear that. Canada’s offense would have been fine had o let him coach.
None of the dumbass offensive assistants couldn’t keep up except
Maybe Ensminger.
Funny this is Ensminger should have loved that offense considering how much he likes throwing to the TEs. You cannot expect a complex offense built around power run principles - which was a necessity to get him hired by ORGERON!
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:59 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I've spoken with someone on the staff and they said it was a mixture of O not understanding what Canada wanted to run and Canada getting frustrated at O for not understanding and wanting to override. Also, Canada couldn't take the criticism from O about the offense because he thought O didn't understand it. But hey that is just word of mouth so like 30% accurate
. I know you've made it known that the blame should e laid at o's feet but more than a few posters in here are saying Canada was thin skinned.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:59 pm to cornstarch
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I am in the camp that says he (and every other coach, honestly) should be allowed more time before we call for his job. Or at least make the seat super hot.
The thing is, you shouldn't be painting all coaching hires with the same brush. If you take over a perennial loser, like 5 straight seasons never breaking 3 wins....Yeah, you probably deserve 3 years to try and turn it around somewhat. And even a minor correction should look good.
If you are a hire on a mid-level team...sure, 3 years.
If the sell of the hire was to remove a "bad" coach, already surrounded with coaching and player talent, who "gets in the way" of winning or who is "hard headed," the the turn is the hire itself. Does that make sense? Especially when you keep most of the coaching and, obviously, player talent.
This was the point. Add to that that O lacks an overall vision for LSU football, and that's ok because he isn't supposed to have one, and tell people that I will "let coaches coach," and the results should be immediate. The idea was the talent is here, Aranda is here (for now), and that Les Miles was the problem.
The program wasn't a problem, like a perennial loser program, and the staff wasn't a problem, because O didn't clean house.
The only thing that's changed is Les Miles, because that was "the turn," that was supposed to change the fortunes for LSU football. That doesn't take 3 years - when you will have staff and player turnover.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:24 pm to Freauxzen
quote:and numerous stats show the level of football declines the further removed LSU is from his tenure.
The only thing that's changed is Les Miles,
Orgeron is just an unskilled coaching caricature and ammo for rival recruiters.
The Miles DC will keep the D solid and all hope hangs on Ensminger.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:33 pm to Tiger Tracker
He is willing to make changes that's the dif as of now. Hopefully his changes will improve program
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:41 pm to Mayhawman
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Hell 10 of Miles offenses scored more ppg. No great feat
No denying that fact.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:10 pm to Tiger1988
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They don’t want to hear that. Canada’s offense would have been fine had o let him coach.
that not even taking into account that for the last 11 years we have been recruiting offensive players(oline specifically) to fit a between the tackles ball controlled offense.
while Canada's offense didn't set the world on fire his 1st year you could clearly see he was adept at making in game adjustments and his gameplay would vary widely from opponent to opponent. I was excited to see wht he could do in year 2 and 3 when his pre snap motion wasn't such a huge culture shock
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Everyone forgets these guys that miles missed guys that could have changed the program and maybe put us over fricking bama also. fy16 raekwon davis, carter, 15 Sheffield 14 robinson, brown, jones, Tim williams same shite it has to do with bama that's it. Until we beat them then it will keep happening. This is only guys we lost to bama on and not counting our fence being down with Landon Collins Shea patterson Noel ellis, speedy boil, gerald Willis, tillery, merrit. Our rep has been fricked for years and it started when bama made us there bitch in 11 miles not changing has pit us in this rut and o is at least trying dif shite to get us out after this next year and how team performs in the bowl if they make a bowl will show what he is able to pit together. Until then everyone needs to quit blaming him. He is trying to plug the holes in our sinking ship give him a chance and quit blasting him. I can't even listen to the radio without hearing our "fans" blast him shut up and observe
Posted on 2/10/18 at 12:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
Numbers like anything els have to be taken into context. Our yards per play was up this year our production vs better defenses and what he did with the QB and passing game efficiency alone should put any questions to bed. Also take into account that O was meddling in the offense prior to and half of the Florida game plus the Oline injuries shuffling and Guice being hurt early on which slowed cohesion and hurt depth. Post Florida and the first half of Florida his gameplans were excellent. The way he simultaneously protected Etling while still creating a record number of chunk plays in the passing game was also very impressive. He also shifted us from a run right at you type team to creating lanes with movement and misdirection which was also key because our Oline couldn’t do what we did in the past. Not sure where you stand on Canada but to me he did a great job this year and had our offense in position to make a big jump. The move to push him out will prove to be Os greatest mistake. Fans might not grasp it but football people will all tell you it’s a huge mistake.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 12:43 am
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:38 am to Madking
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The way he simultaneously protected Etling while still creating a record number of chunk plays in the passing game was also very impressive
I was discussing Etling on here a few weeks back and I tried to remember how many passes over 20 yards he completed
because I remember you talking about it. what's the stat again?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:42 am to Madking
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Not sure where you stand on Canada but to me he did a great job this year and had our offense in position to make a big jump.
I was very excited about year 2 and 3 under Canada because our presnap motion wouldn't be so foreign to our players.
quote:
Fans might not grasp it but football people will all tell you it’s a huge mistake.
I agree we should've kept him.
what is it with lsu firing coaches and then hiring a less qualified coach?
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 2:45 am
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:48 am to tduecen
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You know it is bad when MadKing and RickDaddy are on the same fricking side of an argument...
right?
actually Madking and I agree on far more than we disagree on its just that the things we ended up disagreeing about is one of the most polarizing subject in recent lsu history.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:54 am to FloridaTiger95
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Has kept 2 teams motivated after bama loses instead of mailing it in for the year as Miles did with loses to Arkansas.
after bama we played 3 sec teams with a combined 5 conference wins
Tenn= 0-8
Arky= 1-7
A&M=4-4
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:57 am to Lsutigerturner
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Until then everyone needs to quit blaming him.
yeah the Head Coach being paid millions is above reproach.
quote:
. He is trying to plug the holes in our sinking ship give him a chance and quit blasting him
people did give him a chance.
it's been one bullshite moment after another from this staff
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:00 am to Lsutigerturner
quote:What an incoherent babbling mess.
Everyone forgets these guys that miles missed guys that could have changed the program and maybe put us over fricking bama also. fy16 raekwon davis, carter, 15 Sheffield 14 robinson, brown, jones, Tim williams same shite it has to do with bama that's it. Until we beat them then it will keep happening. This is only guys we lost to bama on and not counting our fence being down with Landon Collins Shea patterson Noel ellis, speedy boil, gerald Willis, tillery, merrit. Our rep has been fricked for years and it started when bama made us there bitch in 11 miles not changing has pit us in this rut and o is at least trying dif shite to get us out after this next year and how team performs in the bowl if they make a bowl will show what he is able to pit together. Until then everyone needs to quit blaming him. He is trying to plug the holes in our sinking ship give him a chance and quit blasting him. I can't even listen to the radio without hearing our "fans" blast him shut up and observe
Posted on 2/10/18 at 3:13 am to Mayhawman
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Mayhawman
have you noticed how many more,"support the coach regardless" posters there are now that Miles is gone?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:54 am to Rickdaddy4188
Yes play calling is different to me that’s an improvement.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:18 am to lwood
Ah, the ole eye test. Results be damned, they look different, and that must be better!
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
Think he is worse. Orgeron has no balls and is all talk. Miles would have gone for it on that 4th down and one inch in the bowl game. And we would have scored a TD.
All Orgeron did was remember the stupid play at the end of the FL game where Guice went the wrong direction. Complete lack of communication.
All Orgeron did was remember the stupid play at the end of the FL game where Guice went the wrong direction. Complete lack of communication.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:38 am to lwood
quote:Yeah, from 32.8 to 27.2ppg was just what the doctor ordered.
Yes play calling is different to me that’s an improvement.
Cheerios are so gullible and easily conned.
As posted 50 times prior, Miles had 10/11 offenses with more ppg than 2017. Do some research.
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