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re: How fast was Billy Cannon?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:20 am to STRIPES
Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:20 am to STRIPES
Billy Cannon was fast...
I was told by many at LSU that Slip Watkins was the first player to beat his 40 yard time and that is near the middle 1980's.
Also Cannon got hurt his third year in pro football and never recovered totally and had to move to FB when he went to Oakland.
I was told by many at LSU that Slip Watkins was the first player to beat his 40 yard time and that is near the middle 1980's.
Also Cannon got hurt his third year in pro football and never recovered totally and had to move to FB when he went to Oakland.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 5:23 am
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:12 am to Diogi
He was part of a program began by Alvin Roy at Istrouma after Cannon's soph yr in high school. So he trained with a very good weight, speed and flexibility in high school.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:36 am to STRIPES
quote:
9.6 hundred yard dash is extremely fast even today. How some of you come up with absolutely stupid shite is amazing.
I'm a college track guy(not 100 meter) back in the day. Stupid shite? How you figure.
100yds = 110 m So after 100 TDs, you still have 10 TDs to cover for 100 meters
What part do you think is "absolutely stupid shite"?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:51 am to STRIPES
Here asswipe..
Prior to the early 1980s, all running events were run in yards. Since running event records exist in both meters and yards it is necessary to convert these earlier performances.
The basic procedure is that of interpolation, taking the following steps (I've also given an example below):
1. Convert the time into seconds (if appropriate).
2. Divide the time by a yard conversion factor (see table below).
3. Multiply the result from 2 (above) by the race distance, in meters.
4. Convert the time into minutes and seconds (if appropriate).
Example
Suppose a person runs the 100 yard dash in 12.1 seconds. Since the time is only in seconds, we can skip step one above. The yard conversion factor from the table below is 91.44. Dividing 12.1 by 91.44, we obtain an answer of 0.1323272. Multiplying this answer by the race distance of 100 meters, and then rounding to the nearest tenth of a second, the final time becomes 13.2. Running a 100 yard dash in 12.1 is equivalent to running a 100 meter dash in 13.2.
Calculating the yard conversion factor
The yard conversion factor is simply the result of converting the distance in yards into its equivalent distance in meters. For example, take the distance of 100 yards. 100 yards is the same as 300 feet, which is the same as 3600 inches. Since 1 inch equals .0254 meters, 3600 inches equals 91.44 meters. That is, 100 yards is equal to 91.44 meters (making 91.44 the conversion factor for 100 yards).
The table below lists the yard conversion factors for each race.
Yard distance Conversion factor
(equivalent meter distance)
100 yards 91.44 meters
110 yards 100.584 meters
220 yards 201.168 meters
330 yards 301.752 meters
440 yards 402.336 meters
880 yards 804.672 meters
1760 yards (1 mile) 1609.344 meters
3520 yards (2 mile) 3218.688 meters
The 5th ranked time in the nation in high school this year was a 10.21
Cannons time translates to around a 10.3 Hmmm, wired how it fell exactly in the middle of the range I suggested.
That's fast and would win state in Louisiana most years....nationally, it would be outside of the top 10...it gets muddy around that time.
But that's still fast
Prior to the early 1980s, all running events were run in yards. Since running event records exist in both meters and yards it is necessary to convert these earlier performances.
The basic procedure is that of interpolation, taking the following steps (I've also given an example below):
1. Convert the time into seconds (if appropriate).
2. Divide the time by a yard conversion factor (see table below).
3. Multiply the result from 2 (above) by the race distance, in meters.
4. Convert the time into minutes and seconds (if appropriate).
Example
Suppose a person runs the 100 yard dash in 12.1 seconds. Since the time is only in seconds, we can skip step one above. The yard conversion factor from the table below is 91.44. Dividing 12.1 by 91.44, we obtain an answer of 0.1323272. Multiplying this answer by the race distance of 100 meters, and then rounding to the nearest tenth of a second, the final time becomes 13.2. Running a 100 yard dash in 12.1 is equivalent to running a 100 meter dash in 13.2.
Calculating the yard conversion factor
The yard conversion factor is simply the result of converting the distance in yards into its equivalent distance in meters. For example, take the distance of 100 yards. 100 yards is the same as 300 feet, which is the same as 3600 inches. Since 1 inch equals .0254 meters, 3600 inches equals 91.44 meters. That is, 100 yards is equal to 91.44 meters (making 91.44 the conversion factor for 100 yards).
The table below lists the yard conversion factors for each race.
Yard distance Conversion factor
(equivalent meter distance)
100 yards 91.44 meters
110 yards 100.584 meters
220 yards 201.168 meters
330 yards 301.752 meters
440 yards 402.336 meters
880 yards 804.672 meters
1760 yards (1 mile) 1609.344 meters
3520 yards (2 mile) 3218.688 meters
The 5th ranked time in the nation in high school this year was a 10.21
Cannons time translates to around a 10.3 Hmmm, wired how it fell exactly in the middle of the range I suggested.
That's fast and would win state in Louisiana most years....nationally, it would be outside of the top 10...it gets muddy around that time.
But that's still fast
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:30 am to the LSUSaint
Do any of you think LF7 would have been as good as he was if he had to play D as well? Billy was freakish.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:14 am to Bayou
Billy Cannon's best time in the 100 yd. dash was 9.4 (consistently ran 9.5). Equivalent to 10.3 100 mtrs. For a RB as big as most linemen that was super fast. All things considered based on today's standards he was be the biggest full time RB who would be the fastest RB in the league. He was a freak of nature for sure.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:17 am to Bayou
quote:
Do any of you think LF7 would have been as good as he was if he had to play D as well? Billy was freakish.
You can dissect your statement in many ways, including the fact that there weren't a ton of athletic guys back then.
Cannon probably would not start at rb in today's game, but not over LF for damn sure.
You should read up on LF s high school career. He played both ways quite effectively, I would say.
Cannon was an all out stud as well.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:27 am to Brazos
I know Boots Garland was known to tell a story or two. But he said Bo Jackson and herschel walker were the only guys that had the same combination of size and speed as Billy Cannon. That’s good company.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:13 am to the LSUSaint
quote:
He played both ways quite effectively, I would say.
I don't remember seeing LF play defense at LSU making game saving tackles against top teams or return punts for game winning TDs against top teams.
Billy Cannon was a brute on the football field with close to world class speed while carrying 220 pounds.
What he could be today with all the advantages the current guys have we will never know, but I wouldn't bet against him.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:28 am to the LSUSaint
The STUPID shite PART. The part where you say a 9.6 hundred yard dash wouldn't win a high school track meet.
You are for some reason attempting to trash Cannon's acomplishments.
How many of your great track stars of today can run track at that level, be an All American, and go out and win the Heisman Trophy? Then go out and be all-pro in football 3 times?
You are for some reason attempting to trash Cannon's acomplishments.
How many of your great track stars of today can run track at that level, be an All American, and go out and win the Heisman Trophy? Then go out and be all-pro in football 3 times?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:08 am to STRIPES
Cannon was the 25 years earlier version of Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker... end of discussion.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:09 am to Brazos
Fast enough that his track times were better than those of Bullet Bob Hayes, for a long time considered the fastest football player in the NFL. Had he been able to take off some weight, necessary for football, his track coach at LSU said that he would have easily qualified for the Olympics. Same for the shot put, had he been able to add weight, he would have qualified for that event. He was all conference & all American in both sports.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:13 am to the LSUSaint
quote:Why would a 6'1" 220 pound guy who runs a 9.4ish 100 yard dash not start today?
Cannon probably would not start at rb in today's game
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:14 am to LSU Groupee
quote:You are being just as stupid as the guys discrediting Cannon
I don't remember seeing LF play defense at LSU making game saving tackles against top teams or return punts for game winning TDs against top teams.
LF would have been fantastic playing both ways in 1958. Just not at LSU, since you know, he wouldnt have been allowed on the team.....
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:15 am to LSU Groupee
quote]don't remember seeing LF play defense at LSU making game saving tackles against top teams or return punts for game winning TDs against top teams. [/quote]
If you don't remember LF returning KOs for TDs against top teams, well then I'm sorry you have fricking dementia.
LF was so damn good at LBer, it was ridiculous. So much so that tumors that Saban wanted him at LBer, were actually believed by many. He was all American type at lb'er yo the point that if he were to announce he did want to pay rb in college, every single offer would have stayed in place as lb'er.
Just look at Devin White, LF is a better athlete than him, and faster...DW is doing just fine at lb'er
Yes, Cannon was a stud, and as many great players back then, he played both ways a lot. It's just the way things were done back then.
If you don't remember LF returning KOs for TDs against top teams, well then I'm sorry you have fricking dementia.
LF was so damn good at LBer, it was ridiculous. So much so that tumors that Saban wanted him at LBer, were actually believed by many. He was all American type at lb'er yo the point that if he were to announce he did want to pay rb in college, every single offer would have stayed in place as lb'er.
Just look at Devin White, LF is a better athlete than him, and faster...DW is doing just fine at lb'er
Yes, Cannon was a stud, and as many great players back then, he played both ways a lot. It's just the way things were done back then.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:30 am to the LSUSaint
1. CONVERTING MANUAL TIMES TO FAT: Hand-held times must be rounded up before adding a conversion. The conversion factor of .24 seconds between fully automatic timing (FAT) and manual timing (MT) must be used when conversions are desired (i.e., MT + .24 = FAT).
2. CONVERTING TIMES YARD – METRIC: Use the following table to convert yard times or English measurement distances to their equivalent times at metric distances. The table shows the conversion from English to metric. To convert from metric to English, merely reverse the process: i.e., instead of subtracting .3 second from a 440-yard time, you add .3 second from the metric time to find the 440-yard time.
TO CONVERT TIME FROM:
100 yards to 100 meters add .9 sec.
If 9.4 was his best time, then 9.4 + 0.24 + 0.9 = 10.54.
A 10.54 in the 100m is fast, but it pales in comparison to elite track stars of today. Hell, Mondo ran a 10.57. Bring on the downvotes.
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2. CONVERTING TIMES YARD – METRIC: Use the following table to convert yard times or English measurement distances to their equivalent times at metric distances. The table shows the conversion from English to metric. To convert from metric to English, merely reverse the process: i.e., instead of subtracting .3 second from a 440-yard time, you add .3 second from the metric time to find the 440-yard time.
TO CONVERT TIME FROM:
100 yards to 100 meters add .9 sec.
If 9.4 was his best time, then 9.4 + 0.24 + 0.9 = 10.54.
A 10.54 in the 100m is fast, but it pales in comparison to elite track stars of today. Hell, Mondo ran a 10.57. Bring on the downvotes.
LINK
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:33 am to GRIZZ
quote:But compare him to guys who are 220 lbs....
A 10.54 in the 100m is fast, but it pales in comparison to elite track stars of today
For example, LF ran a 10.68 and was considered a modern day freak.....
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:34 am to GRIZZ
A young Cannon with modern training techniques and nutrition would wreck shop in 2018.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:40 am to Cash
Agreed.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:20 pm to Brazos
Pretty fast but strong as a bull. My dad worked LSU track meets around the time Cannon was at LSU. He told me they couldn't keep the starting blocks in the ground when he raced. On every start he would rip the starting blocks out of the ground. They had to put extra long stakes on them to keep them stable at the starts.
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