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re: How does Walker go from 100% go to not making it out of the 3rd?

Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:25 pm to
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Soreness from a true freshman that has thrown a ton of pitches to this point is concerning.



If every pitcher was shut down after the first sensation of arm soreness, Kramer Robertson would have been the starting pitcher tonight.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:27 pm to
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Is it only a wrong decision because of what happened?


I was fine with Walker of Poche although I said when the rumors started that I wouldn't mess with the rotation. I think CPM messed up by trying to save Poche for Wednesday particularly after Walker went down and is seemingly done for the year.
Posted by Swagga
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:27 pm to
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The coach shouldn't leave it up to a 19 year old. Of course he felt fine, wtf was Walker going to say? Don't play me?


I mean I have to agree here. Either the medical staff or maineri needed to make the decision here. Walker is going to say 10/10 times he's fine.
Posted by YeahYeah
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:27 pm to
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Kramer Robertson would have been the starting pitcher tonight.

Probably would have hit the bull too without Pap telling him
Posted by jonboy
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:28 pm to
It really was a judgement call. Unfortunately, PM seems to error quite a bit when it comes to judgement calls. Walker likely gutted through the pain during the bullpen session (he's a competitor). I think his arm was hurting the whole game and by that last pitch couldn't take it anymore. I hope he didn't go from hurt to injured.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:28 pm to
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I mean I have to agree here. Either the medical staff or maineri needed to make the decision here. Walker is going to say 10/10 times he's fine.



Do you guys honestly don't think the trainers were consulted after Walker threw the bullpen session?

Honestly, do you really believe that didn't happen?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:29 pm to
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Holy shite are you serious?


It was a bad decision. I'm not saying to fire the guy. But yes, he deserves criticism for that. It didn't directly lose LSU the game, but it doesn't put them in a good spot moving forward.

Plenty of people agree with me.

He knew before LSU played a single inning of the cws that Walkers arm was bothering him. Which is exactly why I had the wtf? look on my face when Poche was warming up Saturday.



This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 11:33 pm
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:31 pm to
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If every pitcher was shut down after the first sensation of arm soreness, Kramer Robertson would have been the starting pitcher tonight.


If you can't see why arm soreness from a true freshman that has thrown 95 innings on the year is a concern then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by YeahYeah
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:31 pm to
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Do you guys honestly don't think the trainers were consulted after Walker threw the bullpen session?

They probably don't realize how easy it is to pass the trainers and/or doctors evaluation. The arm was probably only sore when he threw so no test they do is going to elicit that soreness.
Posted by Swagga
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:31 pm to
That's not what I said, I'm sure they were. You just can't leave that decision up to the player.
Posted by OzChuffnugg
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:31 pm to
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wtf is walker gonna say? Don't play me?


Hahaha did you watch the game? That is exactly what he did.

Did anyone who is blaming Mainieri listen to his interview during the 4th? He said, "he was good to go and did not have any set backs prior to the game, but during warms ups before the third his muscle started to cramp and tighten. There isn't any structural damage, just muscle fatigue."

Y'all, this isn't some Mainieri conspiracy, this is a freshman who was killing it and got hurt at a bad time. Welcome to sports.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:35 pm to
God you're stupid, Walker had a lot of soreness after a 75 pitch scrimmage Tuesday ( not a bullpen session) CPMs answer was to wait until this morning to make a decision on him. That all went to shite when Poche had to be used Saturday so no matter if Walker was hurting or not he was pitching tday. That plan was faulty from the jump and in no way was a "good plan". The reason he wanted Walker for tnite was because he wanted to start a righty. That strategy is was stupid if he wants a righty tnite because of matchup concerns why not start Poche vs FSU (a lefty lineup) then Lange tnite? Why was Walker even considered if his strategy was matchups? This whole mess was typical CPM meddling in what was successful for us down the stretch. This kind of thing will never change and I honestly can't believe ppl didn't see this coming.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 11:37 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:36 pm to
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Madking


Didn't read.
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:38 pm to
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If you can't see why arm soreness from a true freshman that has thrown 95 innings on the year is a concern then I don't know what to tell you.


This is kind of the issue. Walker has this "freak" forearm issue prior to the start of the CWS. But by all indications, LSU's pitching strategy was that Walker would be 100%. Just seems slightly....careless.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 11:44 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:39 pm to
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Do you guys honestly don't think the trainers were consulted after Walker threw the bullpen session?


Who said that?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79893 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:42 pm to
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all, this isn't some Mainieri conspiracy, this is a freshman who was killing it and got hurt at a bad time. Welcome to sports.


This didn't happen in the 3rd inning. It happened prior to cws. That's the issue I have. It wasn't some freak thing, he threw a pitcher with a fatigued arm.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:46 pm to
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If you can't see why arm soreness from a true freshman that has thrown 95 innings on the year is a concern then I don't know what to tell you.


If you are trying to play the "freshman hits the wall" card, save it. Walker threw more innings as a junior in HS and he came out of that just fine. They wouldn't have sent him out there if he was questionable at the start.
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:47 pm to
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They wouldn't have sent him out there if he was questionable at the start.


Well, he was and they did; so there's that.
Posted by OzChuffnugg
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2010
1572 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:49 pm to
True, but the problem reoccurred during warm up prior to the third. But, that is from an in game interview with PM so y'all probably don't believe that.

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59746 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:49 pm to
It's amazing, these people will not admit what happened no matter how wrong they are.
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