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How can the same AD hire both Wade and Orgeron?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:06 am
Talk about the tale of two different coaching searches.
Perhaps a blind squirrel does indeed find a nut every once in a while.
ETA - To be clear, I'm commenting on the coaching search and strategy, not necessarily on the success/failure of Orgeron at LSU.
Perhaps a blind squirrel does indeed find a nut every once in a while.
ETA - To be clear, I'm commenting on the coaching search and strategy, not necessarily on the success/failure of Orgeron at LSU.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 8:18 am
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:07 am to slackster
Didn't realize you know exactly how Coach O's career will go at LSU
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:09 am to slackster
Miles buyout was his logic. But maybe O gets it done.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:09 am to slackster
How are you suprised. Our ad came from a basketball school, that under his term lost like a gazzilion football games in a row.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:10 am to slackster
Nunez handed Wade to Alleva on a silver platter + the good ole boy network had egg on their face after how bad JJ turned out to be
In football the good ole boy network and local media were out in force for the guy that talks like us + Alleva wanted to win the press conference more than he wants to win football games so he rushed O out there after Herman counteroffered. Pure emotional thinking that he wasnt faced with during the basketball search.
I guarantee if Wade had counteroffered for an extra 50k Alleva would have bailed.
In football the good ole boy network and local media were out in force for the guy that talks like us + Alleva wanted to win the press conference more than he wants to win football games so he rushed O out there after Herman counteroffered. Pure emotional thinking that he wasnt faced with during the basketball search.
I guarantee if Wade had counteroffered for an extra 50k Alleva would have bailed.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:11 am to slackster
He finally came to the realization that "fit" is a joke. 
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:13 am to c on z
so Wade is a good hire
and Orgeron is a bad hire ?
and Orgeron is a bad hire ?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:14 am to mylsuhat
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Didn't realize you know exactly how Coach O's career will go at LSU
Will Wade was the result of a national search that paid no mind to the old network surrounding the program. We got a promising coach with an impressive resume.
Orgeron was the promotion of an interim coach due in large part to his connection to LSU/Louisiana. His resume was mediocre at best.
The two hires were polar opposite strategies, whether Orgeron works our or not.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:18 am to slackster
If Alleva is left alone to hire coaches it appears he'll do a good job. That seems like what occurred with Will Wade.
It's when you get the BoS, F. King and other political hacks involved that it screws up the AD's hiring process.
It's when you get the BoS, F. King and other political hacks involved that it screws up the AD's hiring process.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:19 am to TigerCliff777
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so Wade is a good hire
and Orgeron is a bad hire ?
jury is out on both but the process by which O was hired was a disaster.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:21 am to TigerCliff777
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so Wade is a good hire
and Orgeron is a bad hire
That's my personal belief, yes, but this is about more than that. This is about a willingness to aim high for the basketball program, albeit after a few miserable hires, and pure complacency with the football program.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:32 am to slackster
Alleva came from a basketball school so he probably knew what a great basketball coach should look like. Never mind I forget he also hired Johnny Jones.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Not only was it not a disaster, it wasn't even that bad. One of the top two candidates can't excel at a program with supposed continuity AFTER winning a National Championship. There was no clear third choice. It happened the only way it could have happened.
the process by which O was hired was a disaster.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Nunez handed Wade to Alleva on a silver platter + the good ole boy network had egg on their face after how bad JJ turned out to be
In football the good ole boy network and local media were out in force for the guy that talks like us + Alleva wanted to win the press conference more than he wants to win football games so he rushed O out there after Herman counteroffered. Pure emotional thinking that he wasnt faced with during the basketball search.
I guarantee if Wade had counteroffered for an extra 50k Alleva would have bailed.
Exactly. Wade sought out LSU. As he mentioned before, he thinks LSU has all the resources to become the next Florida in basketball (something I've been screaming for years!). Wade even turned down a chance to be the HC at his alma mater, Clemson, to come to LSU. Wade wanted the job and had his eye on it for a few months prior to the Jones era mercifully coming to an end.
Eddie Nunez was a former Florida player under Donovan. He interviewed Wade and told Joe Wade reminded him a lot of Donovan and essentially convinced Joe to hire Wade. If left to his own devices I'm sure Alleva would have found another coach who NO ONE ELSE IN AMERICA wanted to triumphantly lead the basketball program.
Circumstances came about to save Alleva from his own incompetence
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:49 am to AlxTgr
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Not only was it not a disaster, it wasn't even that bad. One of the top two candidates can't excel at a program with supposed continuity AFTER winning a National Championship. There was no clear third choice. It happened the only way it could have happened.
you are out of your depth and dead wrong on multiple levels
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:55 am to AlxTgr
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Not only was it not a disaster, it wasn't even that bad. One of the top two candidates can't excel at a program with supposed continuity AFTER winning a National Championship. There was no clear third choice. It happened the only way it could have happened.
I agree with you.
Furthermore, It was 2 totally different situations.
Basketball was in the dumps, had nothing to lose, and has no where near the financial implications to the University (not saying it isn't important). So, they could take a chance on a young up and coming coach in hopes of providing some energy, passion, and promise to the program. It worked.
Football on the other hand, was not in the dumps, though trending down rapidly. And contrary to the idiots on this board, LSU reached out to a handful or more of top coaches past Fisher and Herman. These guys had JOBS thus we couldn't go around publicizing it. Which is why the dummies around here think Alleva just got sucked into to making some sort of urgent hire.
The amount of money it was going to take was just not something LSU was going to do. So they had to look at the second pot. No one stood out. So instead of dragging out the process, a decision was made so that O could save the recruiting class and keep a bigger, deeper slide from happening.
Crisis averted. Ed O did his job and kept a deeper slide from happening and things have stabilized. He has addressed a ton of issues and has hired well.
It worked.
Now the question remaining is can O go from stabilizing the program to trending it back up to the top? It isn'g happening next year, that's for sure. But in year 3 do we take those big steps forward?
No one knows yet. It looks promising, but we don't know.
But the bottom line is that ED O has done exactly what needed to happen and LSU hired the best person it could to do that (since it couldn't get one of the bigger names).
Be thankful. Appreciate him. Support him. Let's see how well coached we are next year and see where our recruiting is going. That will be the sign.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:00 am to cra_cra
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I agree with you.
Furthermore, It was 2 totally different situations.
Basketball was in the dumps, had nothing to lose, and has no where near the financial implications to the University (not saying it isn't important). So, they could take a chance on a young up and coming coach in hopes of providing some energy, passion, and promise to the program. It worked.
Football on the other hand, was not in the dumps, though trending down rapidly. And contrary to the idiots on this board, LSU reached out to a handful or more of top coaches past Fisher and Herman. These guys had JOBS thus we couldn't go around publicizing it. Which is why the dummies around here think Alleva just got sucked into to making some sort of urgent hire.
The amount of money it was going to take was just not something LSU was going to do. So they had to look at the second pot. No one stood out. So instead of dragging out the process, a decision was made so that O could save the recruiting class and keep a bigger, deeper slide from happening.
Crisis averted. Ed O did his job and kept a deeper slide from happening and things have stabilized. He has addressed a ton of issues and has hired well.
It worked.
Now the question remaining is can O go from stabilizing the program to trending it back up to the top? It isn'g happening next year, that's for sure. But in year 3 do we take those big steps forward?
No one knows yet. It looks promising, but we don't know.
But the bottom line is that ED O has done exactly what needed to happen and LSU hired the best person it could to do that (since it couldn't get one of the bigger names).
Be thankful. Appreciate him. Support him. Let's see how well coached we are next year and see where our recruiting is going. That will be the sign.
All kinds of things wrong with this post, rather than pick it all apart at once i'll just start here:
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The amount of money it was going to take was just not something LSU was going to do.
The cost was something that was known or should have been known by the powers that be prior to firing Miles. You do not fire one of your winningest all time coaches when the bottom has not fallen out if you dont have it in the budget to go out and get a big time replacement, especially when that coach is still recruiting at a high level as Miles was. It's administrative malpractice.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:11 am to slackster
Don't forget that the same AD (whom I am not a fan of, particularly) also tried to hire Jimbo and Herman.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:12 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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also tried to hire Jimbo and Herman.
sort of
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
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All kinds of things wrong with this post, rather than pick it all apart a once i'll just start here:
quote:
The amount of money it was going to take was just not something LSU was going to do.
The cost was something that was known or should have been known by the powers that be prior to firing Miles. You do not fire one of your winningest all time coaches when the bottom has not fallen out if you dont have it in the budget to go out and get a big time replacement, especially when that coach is still recruiting at a high level as Miles was. It's administrative malpractice.
Sir, I can assure you there isn't anything wrong with the post.
Miles assured LSU that changes were going to be made with regard to the offense (as well as a handful of other issues). And as we all know, the changes didn't happen.
So, LSU was left in a precarious situation. The real screw ups happened in the way Miles was handled at the end of the season and ultimately not let go at that time. That mishandling created a cascade of additional problems.
And so LSU was caught a little off guard by an in season firing that was exacerbated by ED O coming in and setting RECORDS with the offense and finishing very strong.
And so when you look at that, look at recruiting, look at the finances, look at who you could truly get to come to LSU, look at what was actually needed, etc., LSU made the right choice.
Now again. He did his job. And whether you like him or not, ED O has stabilized our fall and is showing promise towards a trend up. And as I said, next year we will know, and we will be in a much stronger financial position if a change needs to happen.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 9:16 am
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