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Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:28 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:I think that had a lot to do with their defense scheming to make him struggle, which helped our running game be more productive (not a great offensive showing overall, but far more productive than the championship game of course). They didn't have to do that (and didn't) in the championship game; they schemed to contain our running game and let Jefferson struggle all on his own (or so it seemed to me).
Flynn was terrible against Bama in 2007.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:38 am to jeffturnright
quote:Okay, "his pure talent" won us the Arizona State game in '05 (no other QB in LSU history, maybe any history, makes that throw). Now give me one "his carelessness" lost?
i remember his carelessness losing more games than his pure talent won us
quote:Nice example, except for being completely false. Try ONE interception, the same number that Flynn threw in the same game. JaMarcus threw a pick on his 3rd attempt of the game at midfield less than halfway through the first quarter when it was 7-0 Georgia. He went 10 of 17 with no picks the rest of the way. But thank you for making my point about emotional perspective rewriting actual history on this board.
the georgia sec championship sticks out. he threw like 4 picks
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:53 am to King Joey
I always thought Mike Hillman was one of the better quarterbacks that LSU had. May not be up there with the other folks mentioned but I thought he was an outstanding quarterback.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 1:45 am to ForeLSU
Oh sorry you don't like facts.fact= can't be disputed. Like it or not JJ had a higher qb rating than Flynn. This wasn't to show JJ was good, but to show Flynn wasn't.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 1:47 am
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:22 am to Mayhawman
quote:Well, that doesn't really dispute my point. My observation from the championship game was that the Bama defense committed heavily to containing our running game because they had no fear of Jefferson hurting them deep. They gave him plenty, and all he was able to do with it was not much. That left the O-line in the position of trying to block defensive linemen and linebackers who were as talented as they were (at least) and had a numbers advantage. That's enough to make a great performance by an OL look pretty bad.
Agree.
That is the lazy man's, hindsight, recliner analysis.
A less mobile QB would have made things worse.
JJ connected on 65% of mostly what the D gave.
In general, I look at it this way: throughout the season, our OL and running game were pretty dominant while our QB play varied from suspect to inconsistent (especially from the first Bama game on). In the championship game, Bama stacked the line significantly and both our running game and passing game were ineffective. Now, when I see a defense shut down all phases of an offense while committing significantly more to stopping one phase than the other, I generally do not blame the offensive impotence on the phase of the offense that the defense was keyed to stop. Usually, I see it as the other phase of the offense (in this case, the passing game) being unable to take advantage of the imbalance in the defense.
Jefferson had shots deep, as you noted. At least two of the in the first half were close to being big plays, but the throws were just too far off the mark. And as you noted, that also happens on Sundays. But on Sundays, when a QB goes the whole game without connecting on any of those deep opportunities while missing on multiple ones, they call it a bad performance by that QB. In this case, it was a bad performance by our QB. And he did have time on at least some of those throws.
quote:Well, perhaps that's true. But whether he "should have" or not, there were at least a couple of throws where he threw to a receiver who had an opening to make the catch but the pass went too far astray. Whether it was correctly reading the coverage or getting lucky with a blown coverage, the throw was there and he simply didn't connect on it.
You would really have to study the coverage to say if he should have thrown to some deep routes
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:26 am to King Joey
quote:Out of 6 incompletes in 17 attempts, I recall 2 long ones.
At least two of the in the first half were close to being big plays,
One to Landry missed in 4th in Bama territory and the one to OBJ in 3rd, when he then hit him for 20yds on very next play.
He threw away a couple busted screens also. He didn't play great, but was under duress a lot of the game.
All phases of LSU's game were off, ST, OL, bad snaps and the DBs were burnt more than usual with the smash routes, from the first Bama drive on.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:44 am to oak71
Without reading 5 pages, I'll go ahead and give my 2 cents...Rohan Davey was the best college QB at LSU in the last 30 years. Prior to that, I can't testify b/c I was either too young or not born yet.
However, in terms of being a complete college QB, Rohan was the freakin tits! He was a very accurate passer with a better-than-average arm. He was also a challenge for DL's and LB's to bring down one-on-one. He didn't scramble much, but on designed passing plays he stayed upright long enough to either deliver the ball or throw it away. He was also a well-respected team leader and the other players followed his lead.
While he had some elite play-makers to help him, he didn't have near the supporting cast our previous 5 or 6 QB's enjoyed. Put Rohan on last year's team and we beat anyone handily and that includes Bama...by 2 or 3 TD's.
However, in terms of being a complete college QB, Rohan was the freakin tits! He was a very accurate passer with a better-than-average arm. He was also a challenge for DL's and LB's to bring down one-on-one. He didn't scramble much, but on designed passing plays he stayed upright long enough to either deliver the ball or throw it away. He was also a well-respected team leader and the other players followed his lead.
While he had some elite play-makers to help him, he didn't have near the supporting cast our previous 5 or 6 QB's enjoyed. Put Rohan on last year's team and we beat anyone handily and that includes Bama...by 2 or 3 TD's.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:57 am to Mayhawman
Okay, you sound like you've re-watched it much more closely than I have. I thought I remembered some shots deep early in the game that we didn't connect on, but my memory may be impaired (massive amounts of bourbon were involved).

quote:Only slight disagreement there. I think our defense was actually pretty good that night, considering the quality of opponent they were facing and the complete lack of support from offense and lack of usual big plays from special teams. They did eventually wear down, but most of it seemed to be great players on both sides clashing and making great plays, with the Bama side just making slightly more than our side (kind of the mirror image of the 11/5 matchup on that side of the ball).
All phases of LSU's game were off
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:24 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
Oh sorry you don't like facts.fact= can't be disputed. Like it or not JJ had a higher qb rating than Flynn. This wasn't to show JJ was good, but to show Flynn wasn't.
the only fact is that you bring up this stupid comparison any time someone posts that they think Flynn was a their favorite qb. No, Flynn doesn't touch Rohan or JR in a ranking of LSU qb's, but he was asked to do much more on offense compared to JJ, and ran a more potent offense. He made mistakes typical of a first year starter, but brought much more to the position compared to JJ.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:42 am to biglego
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Mauck struggled against the decent teams. Not just OU.
Mauck is the most overrated LSU QB ever. QB was the only weak spot on that 2003 team. I know some will call that blasphemy. But I clearly recall early in that season getting so pissed because I knew how good that team was, and it was obvious to me that below average QB play from Mauck could kill us.
Not so different from last year. Of course the big difference is that we managed to pull it off in 2003 but not last year. Even so, if we play anyone but Bama in BCS game last season, we win it all with an undefeated season. And then are people looking at JJ and Lee the same way as Mauck?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:51 am to ScoopAndScore
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And then are people looking at JJ and Lee the same way as Mauck?
not really, last year's offense was highly managed and took great advantage of an opportunistic defense and special teams. When the defense and special teams didn't make those plays on 1/9, the offense had no chance. 2003's offense had some potency regardless of the mistakes Mauck made.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:16 am to BOZ4LSU
quote:
Stan Humphries
Who knows what Stan would have done if he stayed. However he is still sporting a NC ring from when he led Northeast to a 1-AA NC.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 8:02 pm to ScoopAndScore
quote:
QB was the only weak spot on that 2003 team
I guess there is some truth to that, but it only hurt in the Florida game. Without the Skyler Green punt return it would have been a shutout.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 8:52 pm to oak71
jones, his pass to hamilton was the greatest clutch pass in tiger history. PERIOD
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:47 pm to ScoopAndScore
quote:
Mauck is the most overrated LSU QB ever. QB was the only weak spot on that 2003 team. I know some will call that blasphemy. But I clearly recall early in that season getting so pissed because I knew how good that team was, and it was obvious to me that below average QB play from Mauck could kill us.
I never thought Mauck was bad at all, but yes he is overrated. I think fans just remember the 13-1 record and that he seemed like a good guy. Its amazing to me that anyone would put him ahead of Flynn. Put Rohan, Flynn, JR, and even Tyler on that 2003 team and its probably 14-0 and more dominant.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:26 am to oak71
The easy answer is Tommy Hodson:
Career stats:
att. comp. Int % Yds TD
1163 674 41 58 9,195 69
Career stats:
att. comp. Int % Yds TD
1163 674 41 58 9,195 69
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