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re: Hitting Statistics as of 3/26
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:12 pm to Tammany Tom
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:12 pm to Tammany Tom
woooooooof! That’s ugly!
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:17 pm to LSBoosie
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I understand, but there are a lot of people that like to use OPS as it somewhat takes into account HR and BA. I listed this because OPS isn't listed on the LSU statistics page, whereas BA and HR are.
OPS is the dumbest metric of all time and batting average isn't part of the formula. I don't give a shite what my table setter's slugging percentage is. If they are able to get on base and steal second, then they are doing their job. And I don't care what my top RBI guy's on base percentage is. I'd rather he have a lower BA and more extra base hits with runners on than being pitched around, drawing walks that prop up his OBP and OPS.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:18 pm to LSU82BILL
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OPS is the dumbest metric of all time and batting average isn't part of the formula.
I mean… how often you get a hit is part of Ob%
you don’t car how often your lead off hitter gets in base and how often that base is 2nd or 3rd?
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I'd rather he have a lower BA and more extra base hits with runners on than being pitched around, drawing walks that prop up his OBP and OPS.
extra base hits are what sluggin% measures and that’s the part of OPS.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:24 pm to LSU82BILL
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OPS is the dumbest metric of all time and batting average isn't part of the formula.
OPS = On base percentage + slugging
On base percentage = hits + BBs + HBP / total plate appearances
batting average is part of the equation for on base percentage.
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I'd rather he have a lower BA and more extra base hits with runners on than being pitched around, drawing walks that prop up his OBP and OPS.
more extra base hits is going to raise his OPS more than getting walked will :themoreyouknow:
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:32 pm to LSU82BILL
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OPS is the dumbest metric of all time and batting average isn't part of the formula.
OPS is the stat most closely correlated with scoring runs. And scoring runs is the only objective of an offense.
You can talk about how it's a junk stat because the denominators are different or that it gives equal weighting where it probably shouldn't, but as a measure of offense it's one of the best stats there is.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:41 pm to LSU82BILL
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OPS is the dumbest metric of all time and batting average isn't part of the formula. I don't give a shite what my table setter's slugging percentage is. If they are able to get on base and steal second, then they are doing their job. And I don't care what my top RBI guy's on base percentage is. I'd rather he have a lower BA and more extra base hits with runners on than being pitched around, drawing walks that prop up his OBP and OPS.
Itd have been more efficient to just say you dont know what OPS is
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:44 pm to LSU82BILL
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OPS is the dumbest metric of all time
Just because you are too dumb to understand something, doesn't make the entire metric dumb.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:45 pm to lsufball19
Do you think I don't know how OPS is calculated?
In a 50 AB sample:
Player 1 hits .300 (15-50) and draws 5 walks, his OBP is .400.
Player 2 hits .260 (13-50) and draws 10 walks, his OBP is .460.
Assuming they have the same number of total bases, what player do you want hitting leadoff? The player with the higher BA (and lower OPS) or the higher OBP?
No shite. I'd rather my RBI guys get pitched to and not get walked with runners on.
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batting average is part of the equation for on base percentage.
In a 50 AB sample:
Player 1 hits .300 (15-50) and draws 5 walks, his OBP is .400.
Player 2 hits .260 (13-50) and draws 10 walks, his OBP is .460.
Assuming they have the same number of total bases, what player do you want hitting leadoff? The player with the higher BA (and lower OPS) or the higher OBP?
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more extra base hits is going to raise his OPS more than getting walked will
No shite. I'd rather my RBI guys get pitched to and not get walked with runners on.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 3/26/24 at 3:49 pm to LSBoosie
thanks 
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:00 pm to LSBoosie
I guess Jay is gonna ride with Milam until he adjusts to college pitching.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:12 pm to LSU82BILL
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In a 50 AB sample: Player 1 hits .300 (15-30) and draws 5 walks, his OBP is .400. Player 2 hits .260 (13-50) and draws 10 walks, his OBP is .460. Assuming they have the same number of total bases, what player do you want hitting leadoff? The player with the higher BA (and lower OPS) or the higher OBP?
It looks like you are struggling to calculate batting average, and conflating OBP and OPS.
Unless your BA is miscalculated, Player 1 is actually 15/45, compared to Player 2’s 13/50. Player 1 gets on base 20 times (15 hits + 5 walks) in 50 plate appearances, for an OBP (not OPS) of .400. Player 2 gets on base 23 times (13 hits + 10 walks) in 60 plate appearances for an OBP of .383. Again, not OPS.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:26 pm to Dead Mike
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It looks like you are struggling to calculate batting average, and conflating OBP and OPS.
Nope. I wasn't considering plate appearances. Just trying to trivialize the importance of BA for a leadoff hitter.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:28 pm to LSU82BILL
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Just trying to trivialize the importance of BA for a leadoff hitter.
By miscalculating it?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:39 pm to LSBoosie
Looking at the glass half full....when you look at individual SEC batting avg for other teams, we are right there. Florida only has 3 guys hitting over .300 in SEC play (granted 2 of the 3 are hitting over .340 and the other one is hitting over .400). Tennessee only has 4 if you exclude a guy that only has 6 plate appearances ( All 4 are hitting over .360 with one hitting .417 and our averages would be higher as well as HR totals if we played home games at Lindsey Nelson). Arkansas only has 1 guy hitting over .300. Georgia only has 3...etc etc
We know that Tommy White can hit SEC Pitching and Jared Jones is doing about what we had hoped. The problem is this black hole of Milam, Neal, and Kling that other teams dont seem to have. The good news is, we have options to replace Milam and Neal. Maybe you just let Kling work through it for now. He has to come around at some point.
We know that Tommy White can hit SEC Pitching and Jared Jones is doing about what we had hoped. The problem is this black hole of Milam, Neal, and Kling that other teams dont seem to have. The good news is, we have options to replace Milam and Neal. Maybe you just let Kling work through it for now. He has to come around at some point.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:45 pm to LSBoosie
Not shocked at Milam coming back down to earth. Seeing SEC pitching for the first time.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:47 pm to Madking
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