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re: Here to eat crow re: Vitello
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:59 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Posted on 4/3/22 at 12:59 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Eat the frick out of it, because Vitello is who we should have backed up the Brinks truck for!!!
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Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:00 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Tell me about Vitello’s first two seasons at Tennessee.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:03 am to supersaints9
quote:
Vitello is who we should have backed up the Brinks truck for!!!
Because his team is #1 currently and he's in his 5th year? Look at the record of his first two years.
If that happened here after one season, you'd be screaming for his head.
Like I said, he's done well but you know as well as I do about the expectations here. Look at what's being said about Johnson after two months.
Give the guy some time. I get the frustration. Believe me I understand.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:04 am to Imber
quote:
Tell me about Vitello’s first two seasons at Tennessee.
Beat me to it.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:10 am to la_birdman
Why don’t Morgan/Crews/Gio have about 30 stolen bases among them? That’s inexcusable.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:15 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Save this post for when Johnson beats the brakes off of Vitello.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:18 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Despite what the P&G clowns are feeding you, JJ was a shite hire and we’ll revisit these threads in 2-3 years.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:31 am to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:first of all, baseball isn't important enough for anything to be a huge mistake. are you familiar with the phrase tempest in a teacup?
Huge mistake by Woodward
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:32 am to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:
Why don’t Morgan/Crews/Gio have about 30 stolen bases among them? That’s inexcusable.
What are you asking me for?
The bats have been pretty good. It's the fielding errors that needs immediate attention and I think he's addressing that.
Like I said, we'll see.
If you want to meltdown after two months, that's all you. Give the guy some time. Or not.
Up to you.
I'm not saying there aren't things that need to be addressed but I'm sure there's a method to stealing bases. I'm ok with what he's been doing in that regard.
For me, it's the errors. Fix that. That needs to be fixed but I'm also willing to give the man more than two months before I make a decision and I'll also give him time to bring in at least one recruiting class.
I understand you want an immediate fix but give the guy some time.
You know what's inexcusable? Not giving the man a chance. After two months you already want a brand new coach. Let's say a new coach is brought in and he has the same record (or worse) Vitello had in his first year at TN. Then what?
Give him more than two months.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 1:38 am
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:36 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Jay Johnson’s first season at LSU is definitely the season we should use to compare him against other coaches. Talk to me in 5 years when JJ has a natty, and Vitello has 0. How many times does the best team in March and April, still remain the best at the end of June?
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:41 am to la_birdman
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You know what's inexcusable? Not giving the man a chance. After two months you already want a brand new coach. Let's say a new coach is brought in and he has the same record (or worse) Vitello had in his first year at TN. Then what?
Calm down.
Don't you think CJJ inherited a much better situation here than did Vitello at UTenn?
Posted on 4/3/22 at 1:45 am to AlwysATgr
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Don't you think CJJ inherited a much better situation here than did Vitello at UTenn?
I do.
My point with bringing up Vitello was that his first two years were awful.
He's the hot name now because his team is #1 so some "want him." 2 months ago it was Texas. Then it was Bianco. Lots of baseball left.
It takes some time to build it up. It's not going to happen in two months. That's why I said give Johnson more than two months.
I get the frustration because I'm right there as well but I'm not about to say fire the guy.
This post was edited on 4/3/22 at 1:46 am
Posted on 4/3/22 at 2:21 am to arcalades
quote:
baseball isn't important enough for anything to be a huge mistake
Maybe not at 95% of schools.
But this is a top-5 baseball school.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 3:09 am to la_birdman
quote:
Vitello was that his first two years were awful.
Had to go look but his first season was 29-27. His second, was 40-21. I wouldn't consider that awful by any means.
Talk of firing CJJ is not even on my radar and I suspect other than few nut cases, it's not on anyone's radar.
But the excuses need to be dispensed with. IMO, the only legitimate reason is our pitching staff. We all knew it would take time to sort out. We have arms; we didn't have roles.
Where I think he misjudged things was thinking our hitting would compensate for everything else.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 3:49 am to Sregit1981
quote:yeah, but did he have half the talent Johnson has this year
Vitello was 29-27 in year 1. Imagine the melt
Posted on 4/3/22 at 4:07 am to otowntiger
The deflections from the poor job CJJ's done thus far need to stop. Comparing our start in SEC play with last year is fundamentally different on two levels: 1) competition and 2) our experience.
Vitello took over a horrible program, not a team that played in a super regional and had all but one position player returning. I didn't care for Vitello but to discredit his body of work at UTenn to try and take the heat off CJJ is misguided. In his 3rd full season at UTenn, they went to the CWS.
Vitello took over a horrible program, not a team that played in a super regional and had all but one position player returning. I didn't care for Vitello but to discredit his body of work at UTenn to try and take the heat off CJJ is misguided. In his 3rd full season at UTenn, they went to the CWS.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:26 am to Imber
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Tell me about Vitello’s first two seasons at Tennessee.
He won 40 games, finished 3rd in the East and took them to a Regional in his second season. That seems miraculous considering they were at the bottom of the SEC for a few years prior.
It's too soon to jump on Jay Johnson. I believe Vitello improved a really bad Tenn team in his first two seasons. I do agree that his first season wasn't much of an improvement as they won 12 SEC games vs 9 wins prior. This is actually a good example as to why people should not write off Jay Johnson so soon. I think he deserves a chance to get his own recruits to LSU. I am looking forward to it.
Vitello's last three seasons have been spectacular. Who knows how dominant they would have been in 2020. They started out 15-2 before that season was cancelled. People will say they played nobody, but here they are again with another hot start. I would have gladly taken a 15-2 start against a bunch of nobodies. I am very impressed by what he has done. I don't see any reason as to why Jay Johnson can't have a similar, if not better, projection moving forward.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:30 am to beauchristopher
His first year, he was 29–27.
We have a new coach for a reason. I'll never judge a guy solely on his first year after a coach was removed.
We have a new coach for a reason. I'll never judge a guy solely on his first year after a coach was removed.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:42 am to la_birdman
quote:
Tell me about Vitello’s first two seasons at Tennessee.
quote:In his first year they were 29-27 (12-18), which was an improvement from 27-25 (7-21) the year prior. In year two they were 40-21 (14-16) and made a regional final.
Look at the record of his first two years.
So his first two years were an immediate improvement from what they were previously, he made the next CWS, and now has an absolute juggernaut.
What kind of “gotcha” do you two clowns think you have here with the “but his first two seasons” logic?
Posted on 4/3/22 at 5:42 am to la_birdman
quote:
He's the hot name now because his team is #1 so some "want him." 2 months ago it was Texas. Then it was Bianco. Lots of baseball left.
There are a number of us who have wanted him for a couple of years now. If not for the cancelled covid season, Vitello is looking at three straight first place finishes in the East, IMO. They got Vandy and Florida over there. Granted there is still a lot of season left, so things could change.
He is 89-21 (26-10 SEC) his last three seasons so far.
129-41 (40-26 SEC) after his first season taking over.
That's just stupid ridiculous considering how bad Tenn was. I have heard Tenn is a veteran team for what seams like 3 straight years now. I recognize LSU is a fairly young team. Will Tenn finally not be a veteran team next year?
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