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re: Here is what the "Wizard" Gary Crowton has done at LSU
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:02 am to SPEEDY
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:02 am to SPEEDY
Holy hell...I'd love to jump in and help educate the Crowton apologist, but the bottom line, in case you GC suckers missed it is....
WE ARE RANKED 107th OUT OF 120 TEAMS!
Not in the 20s, not the 30s, not the 50s or 60s or so on - one hundred fricking seventh!
We could let iPod call plays off an Xbox and be better than 107th when we have teams on the schedule like La Tech, Tulane, & ULL.
There is no team in the country more talented than we are, yet we're one of the absolute worse offenses in the country. If this shite keeps up (ie. we keep GC), we'll start losing the talent too.
Scary thought - where would this offense be ranked with the talent level of a Miss State? Vandy? Kentucky? South Carolina?
WE ARE RANKED 107th OUT OF 120 TEAMS!
Not in the 20s, not the 30s, not the 50s or 60s or so on - one hundred fricking seventh!
We could let iPod call plays off an Xbox and be better than 107th when we have teams on the schedule like La Tech, Tulane, & ULL.
There is no team in the country more talented than we are, yet we're one of the absolute worse offenses in the country. If this shite keeps up (ie. we keep GC), we'll start losing the talent too.
Scary thought - where would this offense be ranked with the talent level of a Miss State? Vandy? Kentucky? South Carolina?
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:10 am to moneyg
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In other words, we can run the ball and have a QB who hasn't been able to make plays at this stage of his career. That's the worst of both worlds.
think about that
Do you really think the 107 ranking is primarily due to coaching?
See OU.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 12:12 pm to byubengalboy
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the truth...we went from a great offensive line to a good offensive line to and average offensive line in three years. fix that...and everything else returns to full speed ahead.
+1
Posted on 11/17/09 at 12:41 pm to SPEEDY
Biggest stat of all:
2007: Senior QB
2008: FreshmanQB/FroshQB
2009: Soph. QB
Chances are he's not going to be fired, so we'll see what he can do with a upper classman QB next year. His results in the past with Jr/Sr. QBs has been good.
2007: Senior QB
2008: FreshmanQB/FroshQB
2009: Soph. QB
Chances are he's not going to be fired, so we'll see what he can do with a upper classman QB next year. His results in the past with Jr/Sr. QBs has been good.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 12:56 pm to SPEEDY
There are liars, damn liars, and then SPEEDY with his selected stats. 
Posted on 11/17/09 at 1:38 pm to Bad Cat
While I shouldn't be surprised ( this is the rant afterall ) I am still caught off guard...
Last year, our defense falls and there was nobody saying 'well, we have a second year FS - let's see how the DC's do with a junior FS'...and rightfully so.
Yet there are people here wanting to give GC time to have a junior QB when we're ranked ahead of only 13 teams in all of D1 college football in total offense?!?!?
Riddle me this...how does GC come in his first year and in one off-season, install an offense to a 5th year senior yet can't install it with anyone younger?!? Flynn didn't have 5 years under Crowton - he had a spring before the games started to count.
The correct answer is Flynn was under Jimbo and Jimbo developed Flynn better than Crowton has developed any QB we have. And that hurts to say, bc Jimbo's conservatism sucked...but we were never this bad with Jimbo.
Last year, our defense falls and there was nobody saying 'well, we have a second year FS - let's see how the DC's do with a junior FS'...and rightfully so.
Yet there are people here wanting to give GC time to have a junior QB when we're ranked ahead of only 13 teams in all of D1 college football in total offense?!?!?
Riddle me this...how does GC come in his first year and in one off-season, install an offense to a 5th year senior yet can't install it with anyone younger?!? Flynn didn't have 5 years under Crowton - he had a spring before the games started to count.
The correct answer is Flynn was under Jimbo and Jimbo developed Flynn better than Crowton has developed any QB we have. And that hurts to say, bc Jimbo's conservatism sucked...but we were never this bad with Jimbo.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 2:10 pm to RelocatedPelican
I agree GC doesn't seem to develope QBs and that he doesn't stick with what plays are working....but he is not the one commiting the drive stopping dropped balls, false starts and holding penalties. It is a team effort, you cannot blame any one person for our poor perfomance.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 2:28 pm to Bert Lyons 716
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Here is what the "Wizard" Gary Crowton has done at LSU
I wrote about this following the Florida game and I wrote this thread earlier today with further evidence:
Defend this
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Simple those QBs are playing much better than LSU's.
Jj doesn't know what he is doing most of the time thus the delays in getting the plays run.
He doesn't seem to know his progressions on pass plays.
Name the teams in SEC that would trade QBs with LSU.
Miles is a decent guy,he doesn't openly blame his players when things go wrong.
This is a learning year for JJ,and he has shown some improvement which will make the coaches smarter.
Excuse me if I am wrong but isn't it Crowton's job to make sure that is fixed... I have seen no improvement at all this year
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Here is what the "Wizard" Gary Crowton has done at LSU
I wrote about this following the Florida game and I wrote this thread earlier today with further evidence:
Defend this
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Simple those QBs are playing much better than LSU's.
Jj doesn't know what he is doing most of the time thus the delays in getting the plays run.
He doesn't seem to know his progressions on pass plays.
Name the teams in SEC that would trade QBs with LSU.
Miles is a decent guy,he doesn't openly blame his players when things go wrong.
This is a learning year for JJ,and he has shown some improvement which will make the coaches smarter.
Excuse me if I am wrong but isn't it Crowton's job to make sure that is fixed... I have seen no improvement at all this year
Posted on 11/17/09 at 2:30 pm to SPEEDY
next year with JJ being experience will also be one of his greatest years
Posted on 11/17/09 at 2:30 pm to RelocatedPelican
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The correct answer is Flynn was under Jimbo and Jimbo developed Flynn better than Crowton has developed any QB we have. And that hurts to say, bc Jimbo's conservatism sucked...but we were never this bad with Jimbo
Posted on 11/17/09 at 3:02 pm to cardee2003
Damnit y'all are hopeless. It's clear as fricking day how awful our offense is. Crowton has only done well when he has inherited a quarterback who has been developed by another coach. He has no track record of developing good quarterbacks on his own. Is it so hard to see that everyone from BYU was telling Oregon that they made a mistake when hiring Crowton? On top of that, is it hard to fathom that Crowton isn't so good when Oregon fans are telling us that this could be Les Miles' biggest mistake ever as LSU's coach?
It's painful to watch us run the option, much less with Lee. What has happened with KW since Fisher was our OC? I can't tell if it's Miles or Crowton who dislikes him. I know RP screwed us, but who's to say that he would have been a perfect angel all of last year and all of this year? In terms of experience, redshirt sophomore Matt Flynn had no problem starting the Peach Bowl in 2005 and torching Miami's defense.
It's painful to watch us run the option, much less with Lee. What has happened with KW since Fisher was our OC? I can't tell if it's Miles or Crowton who dislikes him. I know RP screwed us, but who's to say that he would have been a perfect angel all of last year and all of this year? In terms of experience, redshirt sophomore Matt Flynn had no problem starting the Peach Bowl in 2005 and torching Miami's defense.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 3:49 pm to philter
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2007: Senior QB
2008: FreshmanQB/FroshQB
2009: Soph. QB
And?
the 2009 offense, which is led by a Soph QB is worse than the 2008 offense which was led by freshman QB
BTW, that 2009 Soph QB is playing better than the 2007 Senior QB
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:14 pm to RelocatedPelican
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The correct answer is Flynn was under Jimbo and Jimbo developed Flynn better than Crowton has developed any QB we have. And that hurts to say, bc Jimbo's conservatism sucked...but we were never this bad with Jimbo.
Jimbo had 4 years to develop Flynn.
How was Flynn developed by year 2?
Hell, how was Jamarcus Russell, the #1 draft pick after his 4th year developed by year 2?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:25 pm to moneyg
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2007: Senior QB
2008: FreshmanQB/FroshQB
2009: Soph. QB
That must explain why the running game has also gotten fricking horrible under Crowton this year too right?
SPEEDY, good post as usual. The numbers don't lie, I don't see how anyone can really come in here and argue anything. Ryan Perrilloux isn't here but some of you need to stop acting like we have absolute duds at quarterback. There is NO development going on.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:27 pm to DrSteveBrule
but, but, but Crowton was the OC when we won the national title!!!!!!!!
I just threw up a little in my mouth at some of you.
I just threw up a little in my mouth at some of you.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:44 am to SPEEDY
FIRE LES MILES!!
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:54 am to Bert Lyons 716
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Name the teams in SEC that would trade QBs with LSU
Georgia. Kentucky. Alabama. Vandy. MSST. Auburn. Maybe SC. Maybe Ole Miss.
JJ is a helluva talent but isn't being used properly. How long are we going to use this qb excuse for bad offenses. There is nothing wrong with JJ - no, he's not Colt McCoy, but how many offenses better than our play with qbs worse than JJ....A LOT.
And we have tons of talent everywhere else on the field with JJ, so it's not like we're suffering there either
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:30 am to SPEEDY
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The reason it didnt get more attention was because the defense sucked major balls last year
I truly felt that the main reason the defense sucked balls was all the damn 3 and outs of our Offense. Those m-effers on the D were run ragged by that shite!
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:57 am to Bert Lyons 716
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This is a learning year for JJ,and he has shown some improvement which will make the coaches smarter
Plenty of teams have QBs in "learning years" and they're doing a heck of a lot better offensively.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:58 am to moneyg
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So, you don't think having a freshman Jarrett Lee in 08 vs. a 5th year senior Matt Flynn could have accounted for the dropoff? Or that the Offensive Line problems this year while breaking in yet another new QB could have affected the scoring average this year?
Classic example of not being able to look behind the numbers.
Then why are there so many other teams "breaking in QBs" who are ranked WAYYYY higher than like 107th???
Excuses only get you so far, and that is no where near 107th.
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