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re: Herbie would take USC on a neutral field vs LSU
Posted on 12/16/11 at 10:26 am to Chimlim
Posted on 12/16/11 at 10:26 am to Chimlim
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You damn right ESPN wants to cater to the LA market. I'm not saying USC isn't a good team, cause they are. But pimping USC draws in the ratings
does it? Do you have a link to these ratings bumps or is that just a logical conclusion because LA is a big market? And in that market there are plenty of people that don't like or care about USC. The ratings/audience for shows like that is not huge. Do you honestly think there are people in LA that tune in to sports center and in turn sees ads just because some CFB guy says on twitter that USC could be a top 5 team next year?
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Think back to 2005 when ESPN was pimping USC as the greatest team in the history of mankind. It's simply to appeal to the LA market
Maybe, or maybe its because they were on a 34 game winning streak and had a shot at 3 strait NCs (and yes the 2003 AP title counts, sorry). It was an historic run, they do that for any team on a run like that. They "pimp" Duke BB all the time, that's not a big market. They used to gush over Nebraska and Fla state, not huge markets, at least for the cities they are in.
Too many on here are just over sensitive about USC because of the 2003 situation. Its sad that people are so insecure about it, but that's all it is. They do not talk more about USC than any other team that wins/won as much as USC did.
They did gameday at 4 LSU games this year, including 2 that were on CBS, yet there are people that will claim they hate LSU and won't have game day at some game because its not on ESPN.
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This does no way suggest USC is not a top 5 team, cause I think they are and they will be next season
If they are a top 5 team, then they should talk about them. What exact market are they catering to when they talk about Boise?
This post was edited on 12/16/11 at 10:37 am
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 10:49 am to H-Town Tiger
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Depends, if LSU played againt USC the way we did in the first half vs UGA, it would be a different game
and Bammer might have beat LSU by 30.
If USC played like they played against Minnesota and Arizona ST, LSU might win 50 to 0.
All of these statements are foolish. That is not how football works. LSU is considerably better than USC this year. If you can't see that it's your problem. Next year might be a different story (I doubt it), but not this year.
Posted on 12/16/11 at 11:18 am to LSU92
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All of these statements are foolish. That is not how football works
The transative property is foolosh, but football
is not played on paper, its played on the field and teams play differently from game to game, week to week. some teams get better as the season wears on, some get worse, some stay close to the same. I said it would different vs USC than UGA because USC has great WR that I don't think would drop easy passes like UGA did and could have been up on LSU 17 or 21 nothing,perhpas it would be better to say if UGA had USC's WRs.
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LSU is considerably better than USC this year. If you can't see that it's your problem.
Nice strawman argument, if you read my post, I said I think LSU would eventually wear USC down, like we did to everyone else. Yes, we are better this year, much better, but USC is a really good, young team. Too many LSU let their bias about what happened in 2003 cloud their judgement when it comes to USC.
Posted on 12/16/11 at 11:25 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Auburn was a good team in 2002 when they came out to Los Angeles and lost to USC. They finished with a 5-3 record in the SEC, and beat LSU 31-7.
In 2003 they were ranked #6 in the nation when we shut them out at Jordan-Hare. They never recovered. Still, they managed wins over a couple of top 10 teams and finished at 5-3 in the SEC, and 8-5 overall.
The 2005 Arkansas Razorbacks finished with a 4-7 record. They were a young team, and it showed against USC in a 70-17 loss. They improved a bit by season's end. LSU beat them 19-17 in the Hogs' season finale.
The 2006 Arkansas Razorbacks would become the SEC West Champions that season, and reached the SEC Championship Game. They started off their season by losing to USC 50-14.
Yep.....the best of those teams was probably the 2006 Arkansas team.....that finished 10-4 and behind Florida, LSU and Auburn in the final rankings with the same amount of losses as Georgia and Tennessee. A pretty middle of the pack SEC team that year.
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Regarding the SEC, Pat Haden has said he wants to play as many of those teams as possible.
So what's stopping him? LSU and Bama will go anywhere. Throw in Georgia too. Unfortunately Florida won't. I can see teams wanting to avoid USC next year.....but I find it hard to believe an SEC team wouldn't want to take on USC after 4 and 5 loss seasons in 2009 and 2010 or after next year.
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Bring it, Mr. Alleva.
I think Alleva brought it last year when he agreed to play the team everybody presumed to be the cream of the PAC12 crop. How did that work out?
This post was edited on 12/16/11 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/16/11 at 11:30 am to H-Town Tiger
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does it? Do you have a link to these ratings bumps or is that just a logical conclusion because LA is a big market? And in that market there are plenty of people that don't like or care about USC. The ratings/audience for shows like that is not huge. Do you honestly think there are people in LA that tune in to sports center and in turn sees ads just because some CFB guy says on twitter that USC could be a top 5 team next year?
I don't have links for ratings earlier in the decade when USC was good, but I promise you with no NFL team ESPN wants to capitalize on the LA Market. Why wouldn't they? USC is filled with bandwagon fans who don't give a shite about CFB when USC sucks, but when they're good USC owns the LA market.
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Maybe, or maybe its because they were on a 34 game winning streak and had a shot at 3 strait NCs (and yes the 2003 AP title counts, sorry). It was an historic run, they do that for any team on a run like that. They "pimp" Duke BB all the time, that's not a big market. They used to
They weren't pimping their run, they were pimping the 2005 team putting them up against 01 Miami, 95 Nebraska, 92 Bama, etc.. before they even won the championship.
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If they are a top 5 team, then they should talk about them. What exact market are they catering to when they talk about Boise?
They should talk about them. But why make the claim that they would beat LSU, who is the clear cut number 1 team in country? No one at ESPN has claimed Boise St would beat LSU.
Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Nice strawman argument, if you read my post, I said I think LSU would eventually wear USC down, like we did to everyone else. Yes, we are better this year, much better, but USC is a really good, young team. Too many LSU let their bias about what happened in 2003 cloud their judgement when it comes to USC.
There is no strawman argument here. The subject line is "Herbie would take USC on a neutral field vs LSU." Do you think Herbie or anyone else with half a brain would risk something of value on this statement? It's a foolish statement made by a trash network. Since we know these two teams won't play this year, people must make reasonable judgments about these teams. Again, only a fool would take USC this season.
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it would different vs USC than UGA because USC has great WR that I don't think would drop easy passes like UGA did and could have been up on LSU 17 or 21 nothing,perhpas it would be better to say if UGA had USC's WRs.
Again, none of this matters.
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Too many LSU let their bias about what happened in 2003 cloud their judgement when it comes to USC.
2003 doesn't mean anything in this argument. LSU won the trophy every team wanted to win. Bush's problems only further diminished USC's standing in the 2000's. This is the 2011 season and anyone that wants to put USC in LSU's class this year is just flapping their gums. It's all about resume.
Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:43 pm to Jizzy08
Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:43 pm to LSU92
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There is no strawman argument here. The subject line is "Herbie would take USC on a neutral field vs LSU." Do you think Herbie or anyone else with half a brain would risk something of value on this statement
I wasn't responding to the title of the thread, I was responding to a comment you made about USC vs LSU athletes. I agree LSU has a much better team, but games aren't played on paper, all I said was if we played like we did against UGA early, we'd have a fight on our hands. so, yes, your comment LSU is considerably better than USC this year. "If you can't see that it's your problem.", is a strawman argument, because I didn't say USC had a better team.
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2003 doesn't mean anything in this argument. LSU won the trophy every team wanted to win. Bush's problems only further diminished USC's standing in the 2000's. This is the 2011 season and anyone that wants to put USC in LSU's class this year is just flapping their gums. It's all about resume.
Do you like to argue with your self? You sure do like to build strawman arguments
You are complelely missing the point. I was not commenting about this year. I'm sorry you can't seem to grasp seperate arguments if they are not related to the title of the thread. My comment about 2003 was not related to the quality of teams in 2011 or 2003. I was merely stating what is clearly a fact. Some LSU fans have an irrational hatred of USC BECAUSE of what happened in 2003. Please not, stating that is in no way a comment on the quality of teams in 2011 or of the likely result were the 2 teams to play this year. For your benefit I'll try and make this clear for the THIRD TIME NOW. I think if LSU played USC this year, WE WOULD WEAR THEM DOWN, LIKE WE DID TO EVERYONE ELSE AND WIN.
Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:52 pm to Chimlim
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, but I promise you with no NFL team ESPN wants to capitalize on the LA Market. Why wouldn't they? USC is filled with bandwagon fans who don't give a shite about CFB when USC sucks, but when they're good USC owns the LA market.
While its true that they get bandwagon fans and have no NFL team, that does not mean, ESPN mentioning them will move the ratings needle for sports center in a meaningful way. ESPN will talk about any historcial powerhouse team that does well. While ratings in LA for CFB stuff may be down, if USC is bad, nationwide they are not, so overall ESPN's ratings will not be affected much. Conversly, having better ratings in LA does not mean overall ratings will be much different.
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They weren't pimping their run, they were pimping the 2005 team putting them up against 01 Miami, 95 Nebraska, 92 Bama, etc.. before they even won the championship
Them were mentioning them BECAUSE of their run or 33 or 34 strait or whatever it was because some key players were there for 3 years. It was really time filler and neither May nor Herbstriet had them #1 BTW, FWIW.
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They should talk about them. But why make the claim that they would beat LSU, who is the clear cut number 1 team in country?
Because that claim, was (allegedly) made by 1 guy, it was not a network wide editorial. I didn't see the segement, but I'm guessing it was more an off hand remark, hyperbole in an attempt to praise USC. I wish I knew why people think that because 1 person on a network says something, its offical policy of the entire network.
This post was edited on 12/16/11 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 12/16/11 at 3:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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THIRD TIME NOW. I think if LSU played USC this year, WE WOULD WEAR THEM DOWN, LIKE WE DID TO EVERYONE ELSE AND WIN
I know you agree with me.
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I was not commenting about this year
What the hell was the BS about the first half of Georgia and them having USC's receivers etc.
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Some LSU fans have an irrational hatred of USC BECAUSE of what happened in 2003.
They should hate the four letter network more than anything for 2003. Here we are in 2011, a season LSU clearly dominated, and once again Herbie,the voice of the four letter network is popping off about USC beating LSU. It's a dumb comment by Herbie. Your hypotheticals give some credence to his dumb statement.
I realize you ultimately think he is full of shite as well, and for that we can all agree.
Posted on 12/16/11 at 3:02 pm to Maximus
HERBIE'S MORONIC & FOOLISH ANTICS ARE QUANTIFIABLE THOUGH..... 
Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:15 am to LSU92
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Not a bad comeback. I thought his statement about "LSU athletes" was a backside kick in the balls to USC. USC has great athletes, but not enough right now to play with an animal like LSU. USC's fatigue was very telling in the overtime game against Stanford. Stanford is no LSU.
Again, nobody is arguing USC has LSU's depth.
As far as Stanford goes, I would not be at all surprised to see them beat oSu. They're a lot tougher than people give them credit for.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:27 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Herbie would take USC on a neutral field vs LSU
herbie....
Posted on 12/17/11 at 8:04 am to sabanisarustedspoke
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that means in USC's worst years they are capable of beating anyone except the teams on their schedule and that's just dum
That sums it up the best
Posted on 12/17/11 at 9:20 am to Penrod
I think 10-2 and a top five finish, with a young team in adverse circumstances sums it up much better.
Yeah, though we walk through the valley of NCAA Sanctions, we're still pretty badass, and getting better all the time.
Yeah, though we walk through the valley of NCAA Sanctions, we're still pretty badass, and getting better all the time.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/17/11 at 10:02 am to LSU92
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quote:Depends, if LSU played againt USC the way we did in the first half vs UGA, it would be a different game and Bammer might have beat LSU by 30. If USC played like they played against Minnesota and Arizona ST, LSU might win 50 to 0. All of these statements are foolish. That is not how football works. LSU is considerably better than USC this year. If you can't see that it's your problem. Next year might be a different story (I doubt it), but not this year.
Right on. LSU at it's worst still won all games. USC at its worst lost 2 games. Herbstreit knows this and knows better. Still, who cares about his meaningless statement?
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:24 am to SECTiger1
Barkley played exceptionally well this year. But so did Sanchez and Leinart before they went PRO.
My guess is the guy goes PRO and pretty much deflates the momentum USC created this year.
Also, this is basically Kiffin's first good season as a head football coach.
So this team is by no means anywhere near LSU in the upcoming years.
My guess is the guy goes PRO and pretty much deflates the momentum USC created this year.
Also, this is basically Kiffin's first good season as a head football coach.
So this team is by no means anywhere near LSU in the upcoming years.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:47 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Again, nobody is arguing USC has LSU's depth.
I'm glad you know it
Herbie knows it too, but can't help himself.Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:04 pm to LSU92
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I'm glad you know it Herbie knows it too, but can't help himself.
There is a huge anti-SEC backlash outside the Southeastern United States. Herbie knows how to whip both them, and the LSU fans up into a lather.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 1:19 am to loweralabamatrojan
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There is a huge anti-SEC backlash outside the Southeastern United States. Herbie knows how to whip both them, and the LSU fans up into a lather
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you again. This years title game pretty much deems the rest of the country irrevelant until further notice.
6 and counting...OU,Texas, USC, Ohio st, Fla St, Miami, Penn St, Neb, and the rest don't have enough horses to stop the streak. Their best chance is to have the SEC beat each other up and eliminate themselves from the title game.
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