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re: Head coach winning percentages
Posted on 8/22/10 at 10:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 8/22/10 at 10:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That is why you need to sign multiple QB's and develop them. Not only is LSU not signing enough QB's, the coaches are not developing them. It may not be Miles "fault" that Garrett didn't have it or Z Lee signed with the Dodgers, but it is his fault that he left himself with no other options.
You can't sign them until they accept the offer.
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Posted on 8/22/10 at 10:54 pm to Ace Midnight
Officiating did not lose us the Bama game. Losing our quarterback, top running back, and top corner back, combined with running out of gas in the fourth quarter, lost us that game. After Patrick Peterson got that interception, do you really think JL would have all the sudden lit Bama's defense on fire?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 10:56 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Mark Roman, Clarence LeBlanc and Rondell Mealey were already gone before Saban got here
You are correct.
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not there to compete for national championships.
Who said anything bout NC? I said we had talent and we did.
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9 wins isn't much of an accomplishment any more
Tell that to Nick's 3 teams who couldn't better 9 wins or Miles 2 teams that couldn't better it or the the 7 teams in this years AP Top 25 poll who didn't better 9 wins. If it was allllllll that easy to do, one wonders why more are not doing it.
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a mop bucket could win 8 or 9 games coaching at a place like LSU.
Then, you need to apply for the job and we can see if you are mop bucket material.
It's not that easy, Nuts, and if you had to do it rather than talk bout it, you would know that.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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If we're going to play that game, we "would" have won 10 games in 2009 with honest officiating at Bama, and Miles would be 2-1 against the little angry man.
Playing fewer games is a completely different reason than complaining about refs. With honest refs and a 12-game regular season, we win 12 games in 2004, and maybe 13 if we beat a mediocre Tennessee in the SEC CG. Bottom line, one of the main reasons why 9 wins is not a success any more is the 12-game regular season. That wasn't around in 2004, or we would have won 10 like a team in LSU's position should routinely do...NOW, in the 12-game regular season environment.
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Since you've already exempted Saban from criticism for 2002, I'll exempt Miles for 2008 (RP, of course) and we'll just agree to disagree.
3rd year vs. 4th year, program still rebuilding vs. program already built when he got there. Any attempt to compare 2008 to 2002 just fails on all levels.
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As we sit here today, August 22, 2010, there is NO REASONABLY OBJECTIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SABAN'S TENURE AT LSU AND MILES' TENURE TO DATE - ZERO - NONE.
Of course there is. Saban took over a losing program and had to rebuild it from the ground up. Miles took over an already-built powerhouse. And after 5 years, their records were about the same. If you don't see the vast difference in the state of the program when each of them took over as a reasonably objective difference, then I can't help you.
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It is bias, pure and simple.
Wrong. I was a big Miles supporter until he proved he wasn't a great coach.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:53 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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It's not that easy, Nuts, and if you had to do it rather than talk bout it, you would know that.
Down goes Nuts4LSU! Down goes Nuts4LSU! Down goes Nuts4LSU!
Posted on 8/23/10 at 12:27 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:Yea, there is no way that one of those extra OOC games could have been a team like Arizona St, Washington, Virginia Tech, Oregon St, Arizona, UNC or West Virginia. You know, the BCS OOC games we have played in almost every 12 game season. These are always guaranteed wins, right.
The one extra game was a non-conference game, which is usually a gimme for a school that specializes in scheduling cupcakes
Posted on 8/23/10 at 12:31 am to XbengalTiger
quote:Well I doubt they would have been, I mean in 04 LSU already had Oregon State, 00 Houston, 01 it could have happened as Tulane was best OOC game there since those were only years LSU had only 3 OOC.
Yea, there is no way that one of those extra OOC games could have been a team like Arizona St, Washington, Virginia Tech, Oregon St, Arizona, UNC or West Virginia. You know, the BCS OOC games we have played in almost every 12 game season. These are always guaranteed wins, right
Fun Fact: 2005 was only year Les Miles did not have 4 OOC his opponents that season were Arizona St, North Texas, and Appy State.
This post was edited on 8/23/10 at 12:35 am
Posted on 8/23/10 at 12:50 am to tduecen
quote:You can't say that. We are playing 2 OOC BCS teams this year that are contenders to win their respective conferences. I would hardly call these cupcakes and an easy road to a 9 win season like Nuts is trying to portray. If Washington was such a cupcake last year, how in the hell did they beat USC?
Well I doubt they would have been
Saban lost the biggest OOC regular season he ever played at LSU(V-Tech) and needed a miracle to win the second biggest OOC regular season game(Oregon St.) With the advent of the 12 game schedule came the marque match-up game everyone tries to schedule. I would hardly call Houston or Tulane a marque match-up. Claiming Saban would have automatically won the extra game in a 12 game schedule and giving him the credit for a "what if" game is ridiculous.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 12:59 am to XbengalTiger
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Could LSU have scheduled someone harder? Maybe but look back over past 10 years, prior to this year VT and Arizona St was the only real legit OOC games LSU has had on their schedule. One could make a case for Arizona, Washington, Oregon State, Fresno State, but the reality is LSU has scheduled more cupcakes in OOC due to the SEC being so strong. So it is ok to predict they would have scheduled cupcakes back then, someone like a North Texas, Tulane, Appy State, San Jose State, or Troy, etc.
I for one am pumped LSU has North Carolina and West Virginia on their schedule as I think a harder OOC prepares a team better for the SEC than say beating up on Troy/ULL. However having 2 legit BCS teams in OOC is also an anomaly.
quote:and in 08 they played 0 unless you count Tulane/Troy/North Texas... most seasons LSU has scheduled 1 opponent from a BCS conference.
You can't say that. We are playing 2 OOC BCS teams this year that are contenders to win their respective conferences.
quote:USC wasn't very good last year, they were like the LSU version of 08.
If Washington was such a cupcake last year, how in the hell did they beat USC?
quote:Considering LSU did not have a Louisiana opponent in those years and had they scheduled one I believe it is a very fair assumption that they would have won had one been scheduled.
Claiming Saban would have automatically won the extra game in a 12 game schedule and giving him the credit for a "what if" game is ridiculous
Could LSU have scheduled someone harder? Maybe but look back over past 10 years, prior to this year VT and Arizona St was the only real legit OOC games LSU has had on their schedule. One could make a case for Arizona, Washington, Oregon State, Fresno State, but the reality is LSU has scheduled more cupcakes in OOC due to the SEC being so strong. So it is ok to predict they would have scheduled cupcakes back then, someone like a North Texas, Tulane, Appy State, San Jose State, or Troy, etc.
I for one am pumped LSU has North Carolina and West Virginia on their schedule as I think a harder OOC prepares a team better for the SEC than say beating up on Troy/ULL. However having 2 legit BCS teams in OOC is also an anomaly.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 1:20 am to tduecen
I still don't understand why we have to compare Saban when he was at LSU to Miles at LSU. The 2 coaches are in the same conference and division. One coach is undefeated at 16-0 and the other is .500 at 8-8 the last 2 years. One has 2 division titles and a National Title and the other coach has nothing in that time. Look at what's happening now. That is the better test to decide which coach is doing better. Right now Saban is owning Miles and it's not close.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:32 am to XbengalTiger
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Yea, there is no way that one of those extra OOC games could have been a team like Arizona St, Washington, Virginia Tech, Oregon St, Arizona, UNC or West Virginia. You know, the BCS OOC games we have played in almost every 12 game season.
We already had Oregon State on the OOC schedule that year, so it's likely that the 12th game would have been a cupcake rather than a second BCS school.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:35 am to OFWHAP
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Officiating did not lose us the Bama game. Losing our quarterback, top running back, and top corner back, combined with running out of gas in the fourth quarter, lost us that game. After Patrick Peterson got that interception, do you really think JL would have all the sudden lit Bama's defense on fire?
This. What's unbelievable is....we lost two of the most important cogs of an offense, and we still had a shot.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:37 am to XbengalTiger
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Claiming Saban would have automatically won the extra game in a 12 game schedule and giving him the credit for a "what if" game is ridiculous.
Playing the OOC schedule we played in 2009...a losing record Pac Ten team and 3 cupcakes, we would have won all four in 2004, just like we did in 2009. After all, we actually did beat a winning record Pac Ten team that year, and we wouldn't have lost to ULL, La. Tech or Tulane if we were playing them. That would have resulted in a 10-win season. Since the whole comparison started on 2009 vs. 2004, using the 2009 schedule is the most appropriate to gauge how the 2004 team would have done.
But who cares anyway? If Saban had played the 2009 schedule in 2004 and only won 9 games, then he would have had an unsuccessful season, too.
If all it takes to win 9 games is break even in your conference, beat some weak OOC teams and win a minor bowl, then it's nothing to brag about or call "successful".
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:43 am to Lonnie4LSU
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9 wins isn't much of an accomplishment any more
Tell that to Nick's 3 teams who couldn't better 9 wins
One of those teams played a 12-game regular season schedule. The extra game makes 9 wins the new 8 wins...the bare minimum that an elite program should win except in the rarest and downest of down years.
This post was edited on 8/23/10 at 2:44 am
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:50 am to Nuts4LSU
Ugh, some people just refuse to understand. People don't realize that in 2000, we won more games than in 1998 and 1999 COMBINED.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 7:10 am to LJBurton
Never said saban wasn't a good coach...said he has basically had less that 5 very good seasons in 25 years...actually two very good seasons. His bowl record is hardly stellar...andhis winning % overall is very similar as les miles......but boy he is smooth on the microphone...and that is what all you clowns fall for. Good coach.....for sure, one of thetop. So is Miles. After LSU finishes in the top 10 this year, it will be 4 top ten finishes in 6 years...and miles WILL take his players and beat Saban and HIS players........Saban gets too much credit...miles gets too little credit...period.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 7:57 am to DunbartonTiger
Man this thread has been crazy between you two. I agree with alot of what each of you is saying. But, Miles will win this year, and most people will still want him gone. My stance is, he better win this year or I'll be calling for his head like all the rest. I can't put all the blame on mile so far. If he wins 9 games, he'll remain at LSU for sure. Now, if the 3 losses are UA, UF, Ark.? Expect more of the same threads everyday. I think LSU goes 10-2 with a win over bama and Miles stays and proves all the haters wrong.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 8:12 am to DunbartonTiger
quote:yup, Keep Miles in BR!!!!!!!!
Never said saban wasn't a good coach...said he has basically had less that 5 very good seasons in 25 years...actually two very good seasons. His bowl record is hardly stellar...andhis winning % overall is very similar as les miles......but boy he is smooth on the microphone...and that is what all you clowns fall for. Good coach.....for sure, one of thetop. So is Miles. After LSU finishes in the top 10 this year, it will be 4 top ten finishes in 6 years...and miles WILL take his players and beat Saban and HIS players........Saban gets too much credit...miles gets too little credit...period.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 8:15 am to xraytiger
Look, your team will play as intense as your leader....game over...Alabama wins again...Miles is intense as a Jimmy Carter..Just watch both Coaches on the side line..nuff said...sorry I wish it were different..I will be there yelling my head off for LSU like many years before.
Posted on 8/23/10 at 8:39 am to booky
To an extent, but again, LSU will win 10 games and there will still be people who want him gone. I can think of a few coaches who coach with an attitude who's teams don't reflect that.
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