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re: Head coach winning percentages
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:01 pm to Mayhawman
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:01 pm to Mayhawman
quote:So I said this, can I get the link? Cause I was banned for a year so there is no way I could have said it.
LSU is coming off a standard les miles 9-3 season
quote:Yup someone asked me if I thought another coach could come in with similar success and I answered them. Did I say to fire Les?
Sounded like you thought easy as pie to replace him with better coach. 50/50 would mean 50% of FBS coaches could do better.
quote:Or it is possible you only read what you wanted without looking at the context of the conversation.
Possible I misjudged you, but it walks like a duck.
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Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:03 pm to Choctaw
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Because it sounds like your saying "The 10 wins a season doesn't really count because we were really good his first 3 years". Thats why im laughing
The Sabanistas also make claims akin to "anybody" could have followed the Great One and won 51 games in 5 years, despite the fact it has never been done before.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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st 4 games (Florida, Bama, Ole Miss and Penn State)
what a coincidence, those were the 4 ranked teams we played.
09 was not just ugly in spots, it was one of the least impressive 9 wins seasons I can remember. How many games did we actually look good? Auburn and Tulane and that's about it. We dominated UGA in the first half but only lead 6-0, 1 play later we were behind. We were extremely lucky to beat a bad Miss State team. I understand everyone gets lucky (Bama vs Tenn, Texas vs OU and NU for example) and you can't beat everyone 56-0. But there should be more than 1 or 2 actual good games, and though the scores were relatively close, was there really any point it looked like we would be Florida or even Alabama? A crappy Bama team in 07 was much more competitive with us in 2007 when we were much better than them.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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I remember the collective reaction from the LSU fanbase at large to be,"Huh? The guy Dinardo beat his first year in the Indy Bowl? The little, mean, loud, bossy coach from Michigan State?" I knew he was talked about as maybe a future NFL DC, with potential to be an NFL head coach. I was also impressed with his final season at Michigan State. However, to say it was regarded as a slam dunk, brilliant hire at the time is an exaggeration at best, and historical revisionism at worst.
He was constantly being courted by the NFL when he was at Michigan State. Not for DC positions, but for head coaching jobs. In fact, it happened so often that some MSU fans actually seemed relieved when he finally left so they wouldn't have to go through that annual uncertainty. As for being a slam dunk, I don't think anybody said that. He was regarded as a very good coach by people who know about such things. In fact, it was for that very reason that Emmert started going after him. He wasn't on the initial list, but every knowledgeable person Emmert talked to kept mentioning him, so Emmert decided to check out this guy that everyone was talking about.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:13 pm to Choctaw
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Because it sounds like your saying "The 10 wins a season doesn't really count because we were really good his first 3 years". Thats why im laughing
well, that's not what I'm saying. I give him all the credit for winning 34 of his first 40 games at LSU. But we have to remember we are getting further and further from that
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
Oh yeah NUTS....I am a terrible fan....I stand by the team and don't condemn them before the season starts because I understand what this coach has accomplished in the past and realize he can do the same thing again. Unlike you, who has a history of jumping off the wagon at the first sign of trouble. Does predicting a 4-8 season afer a loss ring a bell to you? It does, whether you admit it or not. I most certainly do not want miles to leave, because I realize that lsu would have a very tough time replacing him with as quality of a coach as he is. I feel it would be very ironic if he left given all the criticism he has recieved. Your statement about me "wanting" to get rid of a good coach.....first off....you think he is a horrible coach...so you are going to jump back on the bandwagon after a few wins...typical. I stand by lsu through thick and then, and I stand by the coach....ESPECIALLY when the coach has performed better than any other coach in LSU's history. I stand behind our qb....I don't really know if JJ has what it takes...but I am hopeful and I am not on here predicting he will take 40 sacks and throw 20 interceptions....etc...like you do with the team. You are a joke....to actually call yourself a real fan and get on here and dog out the team......and then to question my loyalty as a fan when I stand behind them thick and then....what a complete fricking loser you are. Do you remember your blowup of predicting LSU at 4-8 after a loss??? fricking bandwagon loser.
As far as qb. Blacks are not typically pro style qb's....period. That is what it takes in the SEC. I am not saying they are dumb...I am sayingthat blacks are better athletes and at qb they are able to use those athletic skills to perform well without having to know how to progress through their reads.....It may work in another conference, but generally doesn't in the SEC unless the black qb is a pro style passer. Today in highschool the spread is predominant and that does not translate into a winning SEC qb. Certainly that is proven out at the Pro level.......think what you want. I am not prejudice, just honest as some people are not. Major colleges today have a LARGE amount of blacks...but look at who is winning the championships in general...not just winning...but playing for them. You like the boy at Ohio State....I wouldn't want him. YOu like the boy at Miami....wouldn't want him.....you are a piece of work NUTS....you do not like our coach, your predict doom.....but yet you would easily jump on board with miles if he wins....what does that say about you? you remind me of a very young fan who really has very little clue of the ups and downs of college football and think YOUR team should be winning NC's every year..or very close. NO TEAM does that...but LSU is different...lol...they are the only team that gets talent....you also keep referring to a 4M coach....the SOB has a 51-15 record and 3 top 5 finishes....and a NC...fricking saban could not get us a top 5 or top 10 or top 15 in 2004......WITH ALL THAT TALENT...but I know...that is different....LOSER
As far as qb. Blacks are not typically pro style qb's....period. That is what it takes in the SEC. I am not saying they are dumb...I am sayingthat blacks are better athletes and at qb they are able to use those athletic skills to perform well without having to know how to progress through their reads.....It may work in another conference, but generally doesn't in the SEC unless the black qb is a pro style passer. Today in highschool the spread is predominant and that does not translate into a winning SEC qb. Certainly that is proven out at the Pro level.......think what you want. I am not prejudice, just honest as some people are not. Major colleges today have a LARGE amount of blacks...but look at who is winning the championships in general...not just winning...but playing for them. You like the boy at Ohio State....I wouldn't want him. YOu like the boy at Miami....wouldn't want him.....you are a piece of work NUTS....you do not like our coach, your predict doom.....but yet you would easily jump on board with miles if he wins....what does that say about you? you remind me of a very young fan who really has very little clue of the ups and downs of college football and think YOUR team should be winning NC's every year..or very close. NO TEAM does that...but LSU is different...lol...they are the only team that gets talent....you also keep referring to a 4M coach....the SOB has a 51-15 record and 3 top 5 finishes....and a NC...fricking saban could not get us a top 5 or top 10 or top 15 in 2004......WITH ALL THAT TALENT...but I know...that is different....LOSER
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:19 pm to Ace Midnight
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I remember the collective reaction from the LSU fanbase at large to be,"Huh?
who cares.
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knew he was talked about as maybe a future NFL DC, with potential to be an NFL head coach.
he was talked about for NFL head coaching jobs back then, he had already been an NFL DC. Both the Giants and Colts showed interest, i do not recall if they interviewed him.
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However, to say it was regarded as a slam dunk, brilliant hire at the time is an exaggeration at best, and historical revisionism at worst.
there is of course, no such thing as a sure thing. My approach is was the same as with DiNardo and Miles, I don't know and hopefully the people in charge of the hire do.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:19 pm to tduecen
It's all good dude, you ain't a hair on Nuts sack when it comes to flamin.
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:20 pm to Nuts4LSU
lmao....was it his 7 win seasons that the NFL wanted so much? lol...what a joke. Saban always wanted to go to the pros...if he could have prior to lsu he would have.....he barely did jack at michigan state....much like miles at Ok St......might not even be as much.....and he bombed miserably at Miami......this year he will come back to earth....since in 25+ years he has a total of TWO top 5 finishes.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:21 pm to tduecen
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LSU is coming off a standard les miles 9-3 season
I actually misquoted you, it was another poster.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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The Sabanistas also make claims akin to "anybody" could have followed the Great One and won 51 games in 5 years, despite the fact it has never been done before.
Well I explained above that I do not think just anybody could have done what Miles did, but there are several coaches that could have. It had never been done LSU, but then again LSU never had all the pieces in place that we had in 2005 either.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:24 pm to emanresu
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Head coach winning percentages
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SEC
Urban Myer: 0.84211
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:28 pm to DunbartonTiger
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..was it his 7 win seasons that the NFL wanted so much? lol
I know this is hard for idiots to grasp, but professionals can look at the entire picture and not just the record, like the circumstances and how he prepares, stuff like that What the NFL liked were the same things that impressed Emmert and company at LSU.
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.and he bombed miserably at Miami
speaking of revisionist history. He took over a 4 win team and won 9 games his first year. The second was disappointing, but he wasn't fired and the Dolphins were pretty pissed off he left
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:29 pm to DunbartonTiger
[quote]lmao....was it his 7 win seasons that the NFL wanted so much? lol...what a joke. Saban always wanted to go to the pros...if he could have prior to lsu he would have.....he barely did jack at michigan state....much like miles at Ok St......might not even be as much.....and he bombed miserably at Miami......this year he will come back to earth....
Dunbarton - You can't be serious. It's one thing to "support my team", like you so proudly proclaim, it's another to pretend that Nick Saban isn't one of the top 2 coaches in CFB. He and Meyer are 1 and 1a. You have lost any and all credibility, not that you had any to begin with; moreover, your diatribe regarding black quarterbacks is offensive. Please go away.
Dunbarton - You can't be serious. It's one thing to "support my team", like you so proudly proclaim, it's another to pretend that Nick Saban isn't one of the top 2 coaches in CFB. He and Meyer are 1 and 1a. You have lost any and all credibility, not that you had any to begin with; moreover, your diatribe regarding black quarterbacks is offensive. Please go away.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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09, though ugly in spots, was a successful season - we weren't blown out of any games, and lost 4 games
In an age when we play mostly cupcakes or mid-tier BCS league teams outside the conference (2010 is a rare exception), a 9-4 season isn't really successful. All you have to do is beat four inferior OOC teams, break even in the SEC and win a minor bowl game to go 9-4. That doesn't take much, and should not be considered "success" by a program that thinks it is or should be among the elite in the country. At best, it is an acceptable "down" year result, provided it's only an occasional thing.
In the current state of college football, one of the fairly small handful of schools with the resources, fan base, visibility, facilities and recruiting base of LSU, 10 wins should be the norm, with frequent forays above that. 9 should be the occasional down year, and anything less than 9 should rarely, if ever, happen.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:33 pm to LJBurton
Dunbarton also thinks we should only recruit white quarterbacks from now on because black quarterbacks don't have what it takes to win.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:40 pm to OFWHAP
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because black quarterbacks don't have what it takes to win.
I think Tee Martin, Vince Young and Chris Leak would disagree
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I think Vince Young and Chris Leak would disagree
Please don't confuse Dunbarton with the facts. He is a very "knowledgable" college football fan. In fact, he claims to know more than any of the writers or bloggers that are paid to cover the SEC.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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there is always SOME talent at LSU
Domanick Davis, Tommy Banks, Fred Booker, Ryan Clark, Rohan Davey, Trev Faulk, Jarvis Green, Bradie James, Clarence LeBlanc, Norman LeJeune, Rondell Mealey, Josh Reed, Mark Roman, Robert Royal, and Brandon Winey would sure fit the bill for "SOME talent".
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was 08-09 the aberration
Why lump 09 with 08?
09 had 9 regular season wins, a 3rd place finish in the SEC, a major bowl bid, and a national ranking. While certainly not 05 to 07 like, but to call it an "aberration" or different from the norm is not being familar with LSU football history since we have only bettered 9 wins 5 times in the last 10 seasons.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 8:54 pm to DunbartonTiger
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lmao....was it his 7 win seasons that the NFL wanted so much? lol...what a joke. Saban always wanted to go to the pros...if he could have prior to lsu he would have.....he barely did jack at michigan state....much like miles at Ok St......might not even be as much.....and he bombed miserably at Miami......this year he will come back to earth....since in 25+ years he has a total of TWO top 5 finishes.
Wow, so much bullshite crammed into such small space, where to start?
OK, his 7-win seasons. At a school that was struggling, was already the stepchild to Michigan, and was slapped with significant probation sanctions, going five years without ever having a losing season was pretty impressive. Moreover, going 9-2 and finishing in the top 10 in his last season was very impressive. The team he built also capped that season with a bowl win over Spurrier and Florida, although he didn't coach the bowl game (maybe we should have taken a clue from MSU on that count in 2004).
Next, he always wanted to go to the NFL. This is true, but he was waiting for the right situation. He insisted on having more control than coaches are usually given, so he wasn't going to take the first offer that came along if it had strings attached. I can't help the fact that you don't read the papers so you don't know that he was a short-list candidate for at least two NFL jobs while he was at Michigan State, and at least one at LSU prior to the Dolphins. It's a fact, no matter how much you want to blabber on like a crazy person trying to deny it.
He barely did jack at Michigan State, maybe even not as much as Miles did at Oklahoma State? Really? He had a better record than Miles did at Oklahoma State. He had a top-10 team, which Miles never did. Considering the probation and the struggles of the program in general, he did pretty well.
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he bombed miserably at Miami.
I won't argue his 2nd year was a mess. His first one was pretty good, though, considering the state of the team when he took it over.
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this year he will come back to earth....since in 25+ years he has a total of TWO top 5 finishes.
His head coaching career consists of 1 year at Toledo, 5 at Michigan State, 5 at LSU, 2 at Miami and 3 at Alabama. Not even in Dunbarton does 1 + 5 + 5 + 2 + 3 = 25+. Still two top five finishes in 16 years (14 in college) is not that many, until you consider that every job he's ever had in college has either involved a major rebuilding project or was at a mid-major who had no chance at the top 5 (he did go 9-2 and won the MAC in his one year at Toledo), and that he never stayed in any of those jobs longer than five years, but he still managed, at every college he coached (except Toledo), to build it into a top-10 or better team by the time he left, and he's won a national championship at the last two within the first four seasons.
Now, why you decided to turn this into a Saban argument is beyond me, but if you're determined to do it, that is the response.
By the way, you are really on fire today. The August 22 edition of Dunbarton Tiger's Daily Dose of Brilliance includes the following (so far, the day's not quite over):
1. Black QBs can't pass effectively, but are just runners (which I assume is why we were forced to run the wishbone with Rohan Davey and Jamarcus Russell, and why Jordan Jefferson is such a magician when running the option or avoiding a pass rush)
2. You have to have a white QB to win big in college football (but apparently it's OK if said white QB has a really great tan like Tee Martin, Vince Young or Chris Leak)
3. LSU coaches are only recruiting white QBs now because of the Perrilloux and Jefferson "debacles" (even though Jefferson starts right now ahead of a white QB who has more time in the program and about as much starting experience), and finally...
4. Nick Saban has been a head coach for 25+ seasons at four colleges and an NFL team, but he still sucks as a coach.
Impressive. Even for you. I keep wondering with each post from you how you could possibly get any dumber in the next one, but you keep managing to do it somehow. How on earth will you top today's performance? I know you will, obviously, but how?
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 8:55 pm
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