re: Head coach winning percentages

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We got VERY lucky with Saban. Noone outside of the Big 10 ever heard of him and he a mediocre to shitty tenure at Michigan State.

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This is false, LSU had played Michigan State in Indy Bowl so LSU fans knew who he was. Also he was talked about as a coach who could possibly coach at next level before he came to LSU. Especially with his pedigree and the coaching tree he came from.

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I mean you do understand LSU played 11 regular season games in 00, 01, 04? They only had 3 OOC games each year. Now say LSU schedules it regular La Tech, ULL, ULM, that would be 3 extra wins for the previous coach giving him 51.

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I wouldn't use ULM for your Saban argument.
.675-.700, is still cutting hairs. Especially with multimillion buyout involved, then likely paying another coaches buyout.
As much as you dislike Miles, firing just isn't warranted, or a smart money move. It's ridiculous to keep on about it, cuz Joe ain't listening.

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Noone outside of the Big 10 ever heard of him

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Except a few NFL teams who had made him a finalist for head coaching vacancies.

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I look at more than just winning percentage because the state of the program when coaches took over is also important and also is they sustained that level of winning.

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Exactly. Mack Brown's first three years at North Carolina resulted in a combined record of 8-24-1. This is not because Mack Brown was an 8-24-1 caliber coach. In the first couple of years or so, a coach's record is significantly impacted by the condition of the program when he took it over, except in the very rare exceptional cases when it's in bad shape and he does such a good job he turns it around faster than that.

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I completely agree, but that question is was 08-09 the aberration or where the program will remain?

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08 was really the aberration. 09, though ugly in spots, was a successful season - we weren't blown out of any games, and lost 4 games (Florida, Bama, Ole Miss and Penn State) by a total of 23 points. 9-4 is an acceptable, though unspectacular season. If the defense improves incrementally, and the QB/OL/Running Game takes a signficant, but not huge step, we could still wind up at 9 wins in 2010 (though I doubt it). I assume Crowton would go at that point, however.

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I would love to read a quote of me saying fire Miles.

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yeah. I'm not saying we should fire him at this time, I'm just concerned we will turn into Tennessee

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We got VERY lucky with Saban. Noone outside of the Big 10 ever heard of him and he a mediocre to shitty tenure at Michigan State.

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You obviously weren't keeping up with college football much at that time. Not that you are now, either, apparently, but you obviously weren't then. He was considered a very good coach and was on multiple NFL teams' short lists to fill their head coaching vacancies before he ever came to LSU. Why do you think LSU threw what was then an obscene amount of money at him to get him to come here?

wow, jaketiger, do you have to kiss nut4's balls every time he speaks?
take note: you are both negatigers and know it and love it.

the guilbeau column today was rational, not the usual spewing of nega-ranterds like nuts and lacour. so it is possible to be rational for some ranterds, but obviously not for you.

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why are you laughing? 34 wins in 3 years is a pace of 11.333 wins/year. the 08-09 pace is 8.5/yr.

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Because it sounds like your saying "The 10 wins a season doesn't really count because we were really good his first 3 years". Thats why im laughing

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Stovall wasn't his replacement. Bo Rein was.

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And that's the point, you never know what you are going to get!

Bo may have been great or he could have been not ready for the big time, we'll never know.

But if you think the 80's was a great decade then I don't see how you have a problem with Les.

By the way, the argument for or against any particular coach because of the last guy's recruiting is old and fairly simple minded.

Stovall was who he was 22-21-2 (.511) and in over his head! (Great player though!)
Arnsparger was who he was 26-8-2 (.750) and job searching when he got there!
Archer was who he was 27-18-1 (.598) and a train wreck
Hallman (.364) was too painful to even post his record but when he was hired he was expected to lead the Tigers back to the promised land!
Dinardo (.578) was better than the two that came before him but not on the same level as the two that followed.

Saban was who he was (.750) – the one who finally got us back to where we were in the Paul Dietzel (.651) days. (1st NT in FORTY FIVE YEARS)

And just like Dietzel’s successor—Cholly Mac (.692); Miles has been better than his predecessor but NEVER was as popular.

Mac survived for a long time despite that but never came close to being as good as Miles, but neither was Dietzel for that matter.

The fact is Saban is the ONLY coach that we have ever had that you could objectively compare Miles to and he aint coming back.

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which one would you bet on? Anyone answering that question honestly would say they would bet on 42-23 being closer because, bottom line, his last two years are closer to what his next five will be like than his first three years are.

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I'm being completely honest when I say I think over the next five years he comes real close to averaging 10+ games a year just like the last five with at least another BCS Title.

Is 55 regular season wins out of the question, no, but With the level of talent he brings in year after year and the fact that he continually (Co DCs not withstanding) hires top level assistants I see great things.

My fear is that all of this completely over the top hatred of the man will encourage him to bolt WHEN Michigan offers this time.

Hope I’m wrong about that, GEAUX Tigers!!