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re: Have we talked about the squib kick from our own 20 with 44 seconds left?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:29 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:29 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Are you brain dead? Tons of coaches do this, in the exact same situation we were in.
Wrong. That same situation doesn't occur very often.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:29 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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The return puts it there regardless due to being on the 20.
No, a normal kick does not guarantee a kick return to near midfield. UK had two returns prior to the squib. They both reached the 18 yard line.
Trent Domingue kickoff 65 yards to the UK0, S. Williams return 18 yards to the UK18 (Jamal Adams).
Trent Domingue kickoff 61 yards to the UK4, S. Williams return 14 yards to the UK18 (D.J. Welter;Jamal Adams).
Tack on 15 yards because of the penalty and UK would be starting at their own 33 yard line, not near midfield.
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The squib removes the chance they break it lose.
The above is the only thing about your posts that is true. You take away the risk of a big return because the middle guys recover the ball, and it's not as much that they are bigger guys as the fact that they have about 3 guys behind them and unable to block for them. Of course by alignment, those big guys are already pretty far upfield when they pick up the ball.
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Tons of coaches do this, in the exact same situation we were in.
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only 45 seconds on the clock.
Most coaches squib kick with less than 20 seconds left, where the field position given up won't hurt you. Or sometimes they do it when facing a great returner. UK had two kickoff returns that had yet to reach even the 20 yard line.
You've been watching LSU's offense for too long. 45 seconds with a timeout left is a long time for most college offenses.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:32 am to Rex
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With the squib from the 20 there's a significant chance the ball never reaches the 50 to begin with.
Did it not make it nearly to the UK 35?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:34 am to Choupique19
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If the squib kick was such a great tactical ploy, every team would squib quick every time.
That's the point.
I asked a simple question that no one has answered: where would you expect the ball to be put in play after the squib?
One moron said the 37, where the ball ended up after Kentucky went completely brain dead.
If that were the case then every team would squib EVERY kick.
The proper call was to kick off as normal, and hold the other team to their own 35 to 40. The squib from the 20 carried a significant risk of Kentucky starting inside LSU territory, with plenty of time to run a few plays for a field goal.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:35 am to Choupique19
Do you not understand we were backed up by a 15 yard penalty? Those two returns were kicked from the 35. In fact, those returns illustrate that they had been getting decent ones, kicking it deep is almost assuring they will at least get back to the 35, with a chance they break it loose. There is zero disadvantage to squib kicking in this situation. They are forced to down it about where they would have brought it out to anyway, but the opportunity to house it is gone.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:36 am to OceanMan
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Did it not make it nearly to the UK 35?
It made it to the UK 37, ONLY BECAUSE THE UK UPBACKS DIDN'T PICK IT UP.
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How can anybody watch that video and not see that if the right upback for UK picks the ball up, he will be at the UK 45 before anybody touches him. If the middle upback for UK picks the ball up, he is at the UK 40?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:40 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Do you not understand we were backed up by a 15 yard penalty?
Which is exactly why you can't afford to give up more field position with a squib kick.
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n fact, those returns illustrate that they had been getting decent ones,
You call returns to the 18 yard line decent?
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There is zero disadvantage to squib kicking in this situation.
Except that you give the ball to UK with great field position and 42 seconds and a timeout to work with.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:41 am to Choupique19
Rex,
stick to badmouthing the United States, badmouthing our Armed Forces, and blaming the US for the world's problems, your much better at that.
stick to badmouthing the United States, badmouthing our Armed Forces, and blaming the US for the world's problems, your much better at that.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:42 am to Rex
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Easy questions for all you morons:
Where would you expect the ball to wind up after a squib kick?
Away from the return man, preferably where someone needs to backtrack to grab the ball so there is a minimal return.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:42 am to Rex
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If the squib kick was such a great tactical ploy, every team would squib quick every time.
That's the point.
I asked a simple question that no one has answered: where would you expect the ball to be put in play after the squib?
One moron said the 37, where the ball ended up after Kentucky went completely brain dead.
That's where we recovered it dipshit. Most squibs go even further. I answered your dumbass question, you just don't like the answer because it destroys your point.
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The proper call was to kick off as normal, and hold the other team to their own 35 to 40. The squib from the 20 carried a significant risk of Kentucky starting inside LSU territory, with plenty of time to run a few plays for a field goal.
I just realized this entire thread stems from the fact that you think an onside kick and a squib kick are the same thing. There's no other explanation for why you think a squib kick could only go to the 50 or less. I legitimately feel dumber for having argued with you.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:43 am to Choupique19
quote:I have no clue how we have this many people that dont understand this. The coaches screwed up this call. It is no big deal, it happens. Doesnt mean we want them fired guys Jesus
They don't get it Rex. They have no concept of what a squib kick is designed to do.
Give up yards, take away the chance of a big return. So all of these guys are okay with giving up yards after already being backed up to the 20 yard line. Basically, at best we are hoping to give UK the ball at their own 40 yard line, but more likely about their own 45 yard line to midfield.
If the squib kick was such a great tactical ploy, every team would squib quick every time. But teams rarely do it unless there are very few seconds left on the clock because you give up a lot of field position.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:45 am to Rex
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From the 35 it made a bit of sense. From the 20, none.
that is why it made perfect sense. It would make ZERO sense to do it from the 20 when you can basically guarantee no return.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:45 am to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:Coaches usually do it when there is either only about 10 seconds left or they are only trying to prevent a td, not when there is time left and you are trying to prevent all points. Mike smith almsost got crucified when the falcons did a squib kick in the playoffs up 2. Coaches and commentators said only a moron squibs when trying to prevent a field goal with time left
Are you brain dead? Tons of coaches do this, in the exact same situation we were in. How you people are still trying to argue this rediculous point is beyond me.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:48 am to Choupique19
quote:I have no clue how they dont see this. UK screwed up. If they make a relatively simple football play they have the ball on their side of the 50
How can anybody watch that video and not see that if the right upback for UK picks the ball up, he will be at the UK 45 before anybody touches him. If the middle upback for UK picks the ball up, he is at the UK 40
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
A squib is always a stupid play unless you are only trying to prevent a td and there is under 10 seconds left. The only positive thing a squib does is prevent a chance of a return td. It clearly on average gives the opponent better field position or teams would to it every play. So with time left on the clock and trying to prevent all points, squibs are dumb. It is that simple
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:53 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I just realized this entire thread stems from the fact that you think an onside kick and a squib kick are the same thing. There's no other explanation for why you think a squib kick could only go to the 50 or less.
LSU thought it was such a great idea, they tried it again (which I'm not arguing against because there was less than 10 seconds left). The point is, we kicked this from the 35 yard line, and UK still recovered the ball at...
Trent Domingue kickoff 19 yards to the UK46, on-side kick, recovered by UK Charles Walker on UK46.
Just imagine if the same thing would have happened on the previous kick from the 20. UK would have had the ball at the LSU 39 yard line. How would you have felt about that squib kick???
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:55 am to Choupique19
quote:Exactly. The first squib they should have had at our 45. SQUIBS ONLY MAKE SENSE WHEN TRYING TO PREVENT A TD. NOT WHEN TRYING TO PREVENT ALL POINTS WITH TIME REMAINING.
LSU thought it was such a great idea, they tried it again (which I'm not arguing against because there was less than 10 seconds left). The point is, we kicked this from the 35 yard line, and UK still recovered the ball at...
Trent Domingue kickoff 19 yards to the UK46, on-side kick, recovered by UK Charles Walker on UK46.
Just imagine if the same thing would have happened on the previous kick from the 20. UK would have had the ball at the LSU 39 yard line. How would you have felt about that squib kick???
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:55 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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That's where we recovered it dipshit. Most squibs go even further.
What you're implicitly stating is that a squib typically starts the receiving team at their 22. If that were the case, moron, EVERY team would squib EVERY kickoff.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:59 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I legitimately feel dumber for having argued with you.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:00 am to lsupride87
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Coaches and commentators said only a moron squibs when trying to prevent a field goal with time left
Well that wasn't what we were trying to accomplish. We were up 3 TDs, and they couldn't move the ball, last thing we needed was to give up a lucky TD.
And all if you tools that are calling this a bad play are a bit ridiculous. First, it worked. Second, they would have gotten it just inside the 45, at best if they could have gotten to it. The KR man would have gotten it to the 35, easily, perhaps longer if he slips a tackle. So we are griping over a "terrible call" to give up, at most, 10 yards in order to minimize risk that the return man takes it further.
10 yards can take 3 seconds off the clock on an out route to the boundary when your defense is in a prevent situation, which we would have been in with 40 secs at the 35.
Do any if you know what the UKs long field goal on the year was? Which way the wind was blowing? Because the coaches do have and consider that information.
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