re: Hate McMahon all you want…if you can’t see the improvement you’re blind

I agree. I've done a 180 on this team since January

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What Will Wade did in his first five years, while impressive, pales in comparison to what Dale Brown did.

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Its unfair to compare the two.
LSU basketball was nothing when Brown arrived. It took him several seasons to to get to a winning season.
When Brady was hired, he gave Brown the credit for building the program, putting LSU on the basketball map, making his job of rebuilding the program easier.
Wade came here after LSU had some credibility as a basketball power. Not a Blue Blood but had some Cred.
To his credit he immediately wiped out the blot left by J & J.
He kept us in the picture as a threat to win it all.
Then came Mac. I suspect he has one more year to prove he can revive the program.

Only gauge I have is the # of threads on tRant.

I think we're improving and baseball game 1 can't get here fast enough.

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doing things never done here before

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Squandering top 10 recruiting classes? Nah, Brown and Wade both did that.

Things never done here before? Daddy Dale took us to 2 final 4’s. One of those was an 11 seed. He took us to 12 straight ncaa tournaments. Wade never made it past the sweet 16. Hell even Trent Johnson did that.

Yep my bad. I thought we lost to UNC in the round of 16

We did beat Butler then they went to back to back nattys the next 2 years with that same core group.

Mcmen are allergic to facts

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You can only compare Wade’s 1st 5 years and Dales by wins and losses only. 2 completely different situations and eras. What Dale did in his early days is immeasurably way more significant than anything Wade ever even dreamed of doing.

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Yes and no. It was a different era and there was very little interest in hoops when Dale started, but there was very little interest in basketball for at least 5 different schools in the SEC at that same time and it was a very weak conference relatively speaking and I think one could make a very lucid argument that the SEC was a stronger conference when Wade took over. And those other SEC schools that Dale was competing against at that time had to deal with the same things that Dale did in the early 70's, Dale was not the only coach that had to deal with introducing the black athlete and fighting for interest in schools that did not GAF about hoops.

And I'd also argue that was LSU 25 years plus away from the glory days when WW took over - the last 4 years of Dale were all losing season and success was very sporadic and infrequent in the years after Dale and basketball interest was at a very low level by the time WW got here, hell having lived through going to bars to watch LSU hoops and having folks at local sports bar ask me "what game" happened so many times in that era I lost count.

So while there were different eras yes - but you can absolutely compare those eras in a relative way and reach some reasonable conclusions and opinions.