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Has the Defensive Line gotten better or worse since Orgeron came on staff?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:59 pm
As both the DL coach and then the head coach. His focus is Defense Line. Is it better or worse since he came to LSU?
Just wondering what people think. Much of that has to do with talent, but he's been in charge of talent for a while. It seems like DL used to be a real strength. Is is still? Or, do we just need more depth there?
Just wondering what people think. Much of that has to do with talent, but he's been in charge of talent for a while. It seems like DL used to be a real strength. Is is still? Or, do we just need more depth there?
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:00 pm to AlaTiger
I mean DL recruiting was really bad before O got here.
2016 was a great year
Every year since has been meh.
And the DL play hasn’t been great for a while.
2016 was a great year
Every year since has been meh.
And the DL play hasn’t been great for a while.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:01 pm to AlaTiger
Its about the same if you're going off of the end of the Brick era. Way down from where it had been previously.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:01 pm to AlaTiger
The DLine was the weakest area of the defense by far. Was not up to our standards, and hasn't been for a while. Can't blame lack of talent here either.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:31 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Also, 3-4 Dline doesn't usually get a lot of credit like a 4-3 does.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:07 pm to xGeauxLSUx
I saw a list of 25 Recruits that are not committed and only one was a DL. There were 2 OT's and one OG. The kids available are not there!!
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:16 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
I mean DL recruiting was really bad before O got here.
2016 was a great year
"Story by: Glenn Guilbeau / Gannett Louisiana
Published: 7:45 PM CST March 5, 2016
BATON ROUGE - LSU defensive line coach Ed Orgeron will be adding recruiting coordinator to his job title and will be getting a significant raise, a member of LSU's football coaching staff confirmed to Gannett Louisiana on Saturday night.
Hired by LSU head coach Les Miles in January of 2015 as a defensive line coach, Orgeron also served as recruiting coordinator Frank Wilson's right hand man throughout the year and up until Wilson left LSU in mid-January of 2016"
This entire defensive line is on Captain Orgeron. Both the recruitment and the development.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:27 pm to AlaTiger
It’s the difference in a 4-3 and 3-4 defense. Not sure how some don’t understand this. 4-3 defense needs pressure from the line. 3-4 defense needs pressure from the linebackers.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:00 pm to theSaltwaterGuide
Yep it's on the outside linebackers and sometimes aranda would blitz white.
Klavon injury killed us.
Also being the recruiting coordinator doesn't mean you get to pick the players lol
Klavon injury killed us.
Also being the recruiting coordinator doesn't mean you get to pick the players lol
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:11 pm to AlaTiger
Worse by objective measurement
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:44 pm to AlaTiger
About the same.
The DL 2014 class was a bust. I think it had 4-5 DL.
After that, we were plugging freshmen and the like into the breech with no rest.
The DL 2014 class was a bust. I think it had 4-5 DL.
After that, we were plugging freshmen and the like into the breech with no rest.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:11 pm to theSaltwaterGuide
quote:
It’s the difference in a 4-3 and 3-4 defense. Not sure how some don’t understand this. 4-3 defense needs pressure from the line. 3-4 defense needs pressure from the linebackers.
If only that were true. There are too many teams that run a 3-4 who manage pressure from the DL. It’s not about scheme, it’s a development issue.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:16 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:what do Bama and Clemson run?
Also, 3-4 Dline doesn't usually get a lot of credit like a 4-3 does.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:32 pm to theSaltwaterGuide
quote:
4-3 defense needs pressure from the line. 3-4 defense needs pressure from the linebackers.
A 3-4 depends on pressure from 1 OLB not all. You still needs to get pressure from your ends in a 3-4. We don’t really get that
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:02 pm to AlaTiger
The 3-4 defense you have 5 OL to block 3DL. Not quite fair. But you'e mixing up or disguising who that 4th rusher will be. Therefore most sacks or pressure will come from the LB's or corners or safeties! Poor big men get double teamed on every down.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:41 pm to JetsCoach
The 3 down linemen are supposed to draw double teams to allow the lb'ers to make plays. If your NG can't draw a double team, then the guard immediately gets to lb and it puts a huge burden on the lb'ers and the run defense will suffer. That is what happened against Florida, the d-line (especially in the second half) got whipped and o-line was getting to lb'ers immediately and they gashed LSU running it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:15 pm to nola000
Oh yeah but he was brought into the 2015 recruiting cycle pretty late.
After that it’s allnon him .
Tyler Sheldon was our last 5* DL
After that it’s allnon him .
Tyler Sheldon was our last 5* DL
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:13 am to AlaTiger
Some big time recruits, but switched to a 3-4 and haven't found the right mix of guys since really.
Got to remember chavis liked speed over size.
Gotten worse since Ed has been here.
Got to remember chavis liked speed over size.
Gotten worse since Ed has been here.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 12:14 am
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:19 am to AlaTiger
We don't stop the run very well, and when we rush 3 out D-lineman could not catch a cold. Going into the year our defense was to be our strong point, but we were mediocre at best. Not a shut down D.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:40 am to SammyTiger
quote:
mean DL recruiting was really bad before O got here.
Serious?
We were dlineu before we were dbu.
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