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LSU91MBA
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
All we ever heard was, "he can make all the throws".... Larry Fedora just said it... and added, "...he's not accurate when his feet are off, you can tell when he won't be accurate..."

Well --- his feet are "off" 80% of the time in game situations it seems.

he'd be experienced depth, but LSU is ok without him and if he does well at UNC... great for him.



Angrybritches
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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even if he does, consider the talent level in the conference that he'll be playing in, wish him the best

The ACC talent level might be better than the SEC's. The ACC was the best conference last year.


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timm6971463
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
I don't criticize LSu quarterbacks or anybody else on line that is counter productive to the player and our team ! Coach Miles tenure should have shown you that . what Coach did was inspite of fake fans who didn't mind sending some of our best recruits to sabin after all he was their favorite coach !


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ImayGoLesMiles
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
He never did have a problem in practice. I wish him well but I'm glad we have etling instead of harris.


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semjase
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
Maybe if Fedora has the football common sense to put BH in an Offense that is more conducive to his skill set, he'll be marginally more successful.

Maybe.

That being said, he doesn't have the "Quick Information Processing" skills that are necessary to be a consistently competent QB at the SEC/ACC level..........


LongTime Tiger
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
BH never could make the throws when he was on the run, so that took the spread passing game out of the playbook. As a drop back passer, his short game was generally good and the long "put air under it" was good. But the deep out across the field was always overthrown. He had a flaw in his mechanics in that he dropped his right shoulder. Airmailed receivers all the time on those patterns.


Quid Pro Quo
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
The Thread Title Should Be Changed to Harris Expected to Start for Fedora's High-Flying, HUNH, Spread Offense

Although it is all but a foregone conclusion, Fedora has not made a public decision over who will start. Fedora won't specify a timeline for naming a starter ahead of the Sept. 2 opener against California. He's the type willing to keep a decision under wraps to not discourage competition. But like Herman who recruited Harris "Because We Must Win", Fedora has heaped praise on him and recruited him in 2013 for the 2014 Class.

Harris came off the bench in garbage time vs MSST as a Freshman, without any warm-up, and scored at the highest rate in the Nation with only 2 minutes of possession time. TEMPO, SHOTGUN, SPREAD...you know, what the NC Championship Playoff Teams ALL DO & the NFL!!

Harris went spread option shotgun and HUNH for the last 2 min of the MSST game, almost pulling off a win.

Harris as a Freshman: "Best in The FBS" : ESPN Momentum : "Harris' QBR #1 in the SEC, #1 FBS D-1" + top Passer Rating

In 2014 after MSST & NMST Harris led the nation with a 74% Completion Rate, a 243 Passer Rating and a 95.5 QBR while operating from a shotgun spread with 3-4 WRs. He had 6 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs in a little under 3 qtrs of playing time, scoring 84 pts in 12 of 15 possessions: LSU true FR all time records. Any good Coach AND ALLEVA would have had a Eureka Epiphany and LSU would have joined the modern offensive world except the 2 Flinstones, Les and Cam, one-dimensional run-oriented, antiquated and "Litterally Retarted (Dlab2013)".

After that performance Miles/Cam used more spread option and up tempo to let Harris make more plays with his arm and his feet. Cam called 30 plays with at least 3 wideouts and only 8 with 2 TEs in the NM State game.

Then they reverted to the Flinstones vs the most explosive Offense in the SEC: AUB led 27-0 after the 1st Qtr.











Harris' NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating is 243 and his QBR is 95.5, both top marks in the SEC.
He has 6 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs in a little under 3 qtrs of playing time.
LSU has scored in 12 of 15 possessions w/Harris: 84 pts



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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC

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BH never could make the throws when he was on the run, so that took the spread passing game out of the playbook. As a drop back passer, his short game was generally good and the long "put air under it" was good. But the deep out across the field was always overthrown. He had a flaw in his mechanics in that he dropped his right shoulder. Airmailed receivers all the time on those patterns.


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No one who has played for LSU could make this throw except Harris. He sparked a 28 pt 2nd Qtr vs FLA in 2015 and had a 68% completion against SEC teams after 7 games.

Mettenberger was a sitting duck, immobile, sacked 50 times in 2 yrs. "We just could not protect him and keep him upright"



The Flea Flicker vs FLA: again only Harris makes this throw.


Quid Pro Quo
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
For proper context Fedora is referring to having him unlearn the under center footwork and slow Tempo that did not utilize his talents at LSU and led to him taking his first 10 sks vs. ALA and ARK, hurried on over 50% of his dropbacks, and being injured by Cyrus Jones on a 2nd Qtr game-tying 40 yd pass to Dural and being put in 3rd and forever too often.

At LSU he regularly lined up under center and was required to master five- and seven-step drop backs. In UNC’s offense, though, there’s really no such thing as dropping back to pass, as quarterbacks almost exclusively operate out of the shotgun.

“Our footwork that we take here is totally different than what I did at LSU,” Harris said. “Out of the spread and under center is totally different.” This means he will get rid of the ball in 1/3 the time and have far fewer sacks.

Peyton Manning was hardly ever sacked for the same reason. Manning also had this quote: "There’s a saying that goes, treat a man as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he could be and he will become what he should be." Add in what Wade Phillips said "“I don’t understand the people that say, ‘Hey, this is our scheme and that guy can’t play in it,’ Phillips said Friday. “Well, to me, there’s something wrong with your scheme. You adapt the scheme to what the players can do, not what you can think of.."

It is the same system he ran in High School. He will be the center of the Offense, have control over calls, and has given Fedora and his teammates all have really high hopes.
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dljtigers
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
he started here also after practicing well its the game s that game him trouble. I will have a wait and see approach.


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Quid Pro Quo
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
RickDaddy4188 aka Thread HiJacker Extraordinaire, alias HiJaxTiger10

"Cameron's resume is unquestioned"

CAMERON was fired from Indiana where he won less than 1/3 of his games (18-37) with Antwaan Randle El who finished his career with a 49% completion rate. He was also fired by Miami (1-15), twice by the Ravens after making no progress with Flacco, and twice from LSU with 1 Jindal pardon thrown in.

His only qualification is BFF with Miles and Best Man at each other's weddings, godfathers of each other's sons.

After being fired from the Ravens he was replaced by Mannings ex-HC, Jim Caldwell, who simplified the Offense and gave Flacco the controls in an up-Tempo spread. Flacco finished the postseason having completed 73-of-126 (57.9 percent) passes for 1,140 yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, tying Montana and Kurt Warner for the most touchdowns in a single postseason and additionally tying Montana for the most touchdowns without an interception in a single postseason. Flacco's 117.2 passer rating tied him for third place all-time with Steve Young in a Super Bowl-winning postseason. He was rewarded with a $120 million dollar contract.


HighlandRD_ZERO25
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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we hear about every td he throws



This.


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TigerRagAndrew
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
I can post a lot of video of Harris looking like trash. Against Arkansas in 2015 they came out throwing in the spread and he missed wide open receivers on his first several throws and put the team in a 14-0 hole almost by himself.

They gave him the ball after that MSST performance. He looked like Bambi at Auburn.


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Quid Pro Quo
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
With Harris, Fedora has the chance to put an exclamation point at the end of a decade of quarterback futility at LSU. When Fedora turns Harris into a 4,000-yard passer with nothing more than one fall camp together, it will be the ultimate compliment to his system and the definitive Dagger in the Les Miles "Fred&Barney Flinstones" era.

In 5 seasons Fedora starting quarterbacks have thrown for at least 3,000 yards, 20 touchdowns and completed more than 60 percent of their passes. Trubisky in 2016 had 3,748 pass yards, 30 touchdowns and a 68.2 completion percentage.

Trubisky, after only 13 starts ended up as the #2 NFL Draft Pick and had a better debut than Tom Brady or Fran Tarkenton. Kudos to Fedora. He practices smart. He runs as many plays as fast as possible WITH NO CONTACT. The same as ALA, CLEM, FSU, OSU and other elite Tempo programs that realize repetition is better than Smashmouth Practice like the Big Cat and Fall Camp 2016 that injured half the O-Line & Fournette. Miles had a history of career-ending injuries in practice..."We tawkin bout Practice"...rantards.

Fedora's expectations for Harris are higher because of his arm, accuracy, and added running ability. Fedora was also quick to point out that Harris was under center in 3rd and long with no Tempo far too often, taking 5 & 7 step drops leading to sacks and injury. His system has the QB in the Shotgun.

80% of all NFL Pass Plays (2/3 of all plays) are from the Shotgun and 40% of all running plays.

Fedora agreed with Swinney and Fisher that the ACC is what the SEC used to be before it became Top Heavy with Saban and the huge gap to "everyone else". The ACC made better Coaching hires and they utilize DTQBs to win games and NC Championships - 2 of the last 4. Fedora said the SEC, with the better QBs and Coaches, should turn around but when?

How the ACC used better Coaches and QBs to overtake the SEC in 2016

At the moment, the SEC is Alabama and Everyone Else. This season was the first in SEC history in which only one team (Alabama) finished with fewer than four losses.
For the first time since 2002, only one SEC team finished in the final top 10 of the AP Top 25. The SEC had five final top-10 teams combined from 2014-16, down from 13 in the previous three seasons.

The ACC had a 10-4 record for the year vs. the SEC -- topped by Clemson over Alabama in the College Football Playoff National Championship -- and won those games by an average of 11.3 points. For the first time since 2002-03, the ACC has a winning record over the SEC twice during a three-year period.

While the SEC continues to go through a coaching transition -- this past season was the least-experienced group of SEC head coaches in 52 years -- the ACC closed the gap by gaining an edge at quarterback. Elite quarterbacks from the ACC/SEC footprint started swinging to the ACC: Winston, Watson, Jackson, Francois.

The SEC despite all it's money skimped on Coaching hires and/or opted for Saban assistants.

Harris footwork issue is simply untangling the crap he was forced to learn at LSU and letting him do what he did in High School and as a True Freshman at LSU, HUNH, spread, play-option, read-option, to keep the defense on their heels.



Quid Pro Quo
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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I predict we hear about every TD he throws.


Hopefully, in detail and IMAX.


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LSU Groupee
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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Harris in LSUs offense under Miles


Harris didn't leave LSU under Les. He left LSU under O.


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Quid Pro Quo
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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Yep. He actually only played QB for two years before he went to LSU.


You are a good poster but this is so wrong. He had 4 legendary yrs at Parkway, came from a football family, his father, Diesel, a former player, mentored him. Or you can believe that he showed up as a Parkway Jr. Varsity Freshman throwing the ball 70 yds by accident...spinning it so hard that his receivers had to get gloves.
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SportTiger1
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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Quid Pro Quo


Bravo sir. This man gets it.

I'm telling ya folks, miles and cam screwed Harris up upon all belief.

He IS going to light it up at UNC.


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luvlsufootball
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re: Harris starting doing well, starting at UNC
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but I will also be sick is he lights it up...

even if he does, consider the talent level in the conference that he'll be playing in, wish him the best


You mean the conference that won the national championship. DO YOU EVEN WATCH FOOTBALL?


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luvlsufootball
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talent level doesn't matter. If he suddenly lights it up and plays well consistently it just confirms that it was mostly coaching. Because what has been the biggest argument with him was poor decision making and not very smart.

I don't think he even started playing fb until 8th or 9th grade, so a couple of years as a hs qb and he's thrown into a trial by fire as a qb in the SEC, he'll likely be looking a defenses that are considerably smaller and slower than what he's experienced as an LSU qb, including just at practice he should do ok


You gotta be kidding. Do you know anything about the ACC??


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