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re: Harris' regression - what was the reason for it?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 11:47 am to dgnx6
Posted on 12/23/15 at 11:47 am to dgnx6
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You guys just don't watch the games.
No most of these people don't watch the game or don't know what they are watching, just repeat whatever babble the color men on TV are spouting... such as "Alabama defensed LF with 9 men in the box" or some such fantasy.
About Harris... I wonder if he just wasn't that good to begin with? It seems that he was rated well down the recruiting list coming out of HS. But perhaps he will develop though he does play small and looks scared sometimes. Most of the denizens here had such a lip-lock on him last year that it is hard to re-evaluate.
The problem then falls back on recruiting, or lack thereof. It has been a while now since LSU had a complete team. Last 5-6 years every year has had some obvious holes in the recruiting list, QB is just the most obvious.
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 11:50 am
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 11:50 am to Jacknola
quote:Doubt it. In the offseason Miles was propping up Harris like I've never seen before. Miles was saying Harris was a special talent and that he would be special to watch this season.
About Harris... I wonder if he just wasn't that good to begin with?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 11:50 am to siliconvalleytiger
Sophomore in his first year
Posted on 12/23/15 at 11:52 am to tgr4ever
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Doubt it. In the offseason Miles was propping up Harris like I've never seen before. Miles was saying Harris was a special talent and that he would be special to watch this season.
He has little touch on his passes. Not sure if it's development or talent, but his film doesn't look much different than HS. His delivery and propensity to gun the ball haven't changed.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 11:58 am to siliconvalleytiger
Confidence
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:What the frick?!?!quote:He played better than Harris vs MSU.
Yea the guy who threw 9 TDs and 10 interceptions his junior year at florida. He is awesome. Those are some mind blowing stats. Then he goes to LaTech and lights it's up. What does that tell you? It's either competition, scheme, or most likey a little bit of both.
A one game comparison? Is this what the Rant has regressed to?
First, MSU was Harris's FIRST game of the year. It was Driskel's seventh game.
Driskel: 61.0%, YPA 7.4, TD 2, Int 1, QB Rating 134.28
Harris: 64.3%, YPA 5.1, TD 0, Int 0, QB Rating 106.89
Second, you didn't even mention the other common opponent, Western Kentucky.
Driskel: 58.3%, YPA 7.4, TD 2, Int 1, QB Rating 130.39
Harris: 55.0%, YPA 14.3, TD 3, Int 0, QB Rating 224.62
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:06 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Natural growing pains for a QB that has barely been in the program a year or so. Mental barrier he'll get over.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:13 pm to Salviati
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What the frick?!?!
A one game comparison? Is this what the Rant has regressed to?
It's the only common SEC opponent. I know you love you some Harris, but he's got a loooong way to go.
Driskell improved greatly in a new system. Harris probably would as well.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:19 pm to BIG CAT
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Just not very smart, can not retain what he is taught.
WOW! The party line. "They are not intelligent".
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:21 pm to justustm2
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WOW! The party line. "They are not intelligent".
What?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:27 pm to justustm2
You want this conversation to turn racial so bad, your vagina is dripping.
frick off dude.
Seriously, GFY.
frick off dude.
Seriously, GFY.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:30 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Harris suffered a sprained acromioclavicular joint and a sprained knee during the Alabama game. It affected his footwork and his throwing mechanics.
JD Moore, starting FB, was injured in the Alabama game. His injury put greater pressure on the passing game from both a protection and necessity standpoint.
Dillon Gordon, starting TE, was injured in the Florida game. Like Moore's injury, Gordon's injury put greater pressure on the passing game from both a protection and necessity standpoint.
Jerald Hawkins, starting LT, was injured in the Arkansas game. Things get tough for a QB when your starting LT gets replaced.
LSU's O-Line was over-matched against Alabama.
Harris's stats against Arkansas were not bad considering that Arkansas nearly doubled its season sack total against LSU. His completion percentage, YPA, and QB Rating were all higher than his season average.
LSU attempted 51 passes against Ole Miss. It's hard to be efficient in those kind of circumstances.
JD Moore, starting FB, was injured in the Alabama game. His injury put greater pressure on the passing game from both a protection and necessity standpoint.
Dillon Gordon, starting TE, was injured in the Florida game. Like Moore's injury, Gordon's injury put greater pressure on the passing game from both a protection and necessity standpoint.
Jerald Hawkins, starting LT, was injured in the Arkansas game. Things get tough for a QB when your starting LT gets replaced.
LSU's O-Line was over-matched against Alabama.
Harris's stats against Arkansas were not bad considering that Arkansas nearly doubled its season sack total against LSU. His completion percentage, YPA, and QB Rating were all higher than his season average.
LSU attempted 51 passes against Ole Miss. It's hard to be efficient in those kind of circumstances.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Driskell improved greatly in a new system. Harris probably would as well.
Driskell did improve, but against a vastly different level of competition.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Driskell improved greatly in a new system.
Would that new system be a Conference USA schedule?
Southern U. W 62-15
@ Western Ky. L 38-41
@ Kansas St. L 33-39
Florida Int'l W 27-17
La.-Lafayette W 43-14
@ UTSA W 34-31
@ Mississippi St. L 20-45
Middle Tenn. St. W 45-16
@ Rice W 42-17
North Texas W 56-13
@ UTEP W 17-15
Southern Miss. L 24-58
Arkansas St. W 47-28
You're kidding us, right?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 12:50 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Yes...he did. He couldn't even accurately complete a 10 yard pass at the end of the season...when the rec was wide open. He lost his cconfidenceat the start of the second half of bama and got worse from there. Om gave up a LOT of points this year....Aggie d sucked...arky wasn't all that at all..
You believe LSU should not recruit or play "dual threat" QBs. So you are predisposed to believe they are incapable of developing or being good QBs, right? Compare Harris' stats against any QB, PP or DT after his number of throws and he will compare favorably regardless of type QB. Look at Matthew Stafford, Conner Cook and Brandon Allen for example. I guarantee you would not be claiming they could not improve or that LSU should give up on those "pocket passers".
You have an agenda and it is against "dual threat" QBs at LSU. Your prejudice against DTs colors your view of the world. It is impossible for you to see any potential in Harris or any other DT. You can only see the negative. Just curious, did you think Lee would never improve after his first year of starting? A year Miles has never recovered from in my opinion. I guarantee you did not. Because he was a "pocket passer". I also guarantee you thought Flynn should start over Russell, even though JR was a true pocket passer.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:00 pm to Jacknola
This has gone on for 7 pages...?
Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M had far better defenses than what we saw early in the season and we were playing from behind in nearly all of these games.
Mystery solved.
Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M had far better defenses than what we saw early in the season and we were playing from behind in nearly all of these games.
Mystery solved.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:01 pm to ShortyRob
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I get coaching kids to avoid turnovers.
But for years now, it has appeared that our QBs are coached to be TERRIFIED of turnovers
Bling! Bling! Bling! We have a winner! And that is one of the keys to the lack of development of QBs at LSU. Miles neuters his QBs out of his fear of turnovers, and his playing to not lose rather than to win. His QBs play scared.
A QB has to have confidence and swagger. BH had it when he came to LSU. Miles hated that and worked to take it completely away. The poor kid was horrified and a basket case at the end of the season. Put him on Texas Tech, Ohio State, Clemson, Oregon, Auburn, Baylor, TCU, ND, Mississippi State, even Bama, and you have a completely different QB. Put those team's QBs at LSU as true freshmen, with no other development, and LSU's QB problems would continue.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:05 pm to justustm2
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Put him on Texas Tech, Ohio State, Clemson, Oregon, Auburn, Baylor, TCU, ND, Mississippi State, even Bama,
Not one of these teams runs the same style of offense that we do.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:10 pm to Jacknola
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The problem then falls back on recruiting, or lack thereof.
This has been a big issue. Harris has the arm, but was still very raw. And I stand by what I said, the coaches made the rt decision last year. But its completely their fault you only had 2 to choose from.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:12 pm to justustm2
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QB has to have confidence and swagger. BH had it when he came to LSU. Miles hated that and worked to take it completely away. The poor kid was horrified and a basket case at the end of the season. Put him on Texas Tech, Ohio State, Clemson, Oregon, Auburn, Baylor, TCU, ND, Mississippi State, even Bama, and you have a completely different QB. Put those team's QBs at LSU as true freshmen, with no other development, and LSU's QB problems would continue.
All those teams have had struggles at qb before. Just pointing it out.
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