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re: Harris' regression - what was the reason for it?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:18 am to siliconvalleytiger
Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:18 am to siliconvalleytiger
If the coach is content with running the ball to win all season and doesn't allow his YOUNG QB to throw over 20 passes against the likes of Eastern Michigan and Syracuse how can he develop into what we need him to be?
Something should have clicked in Miles's head that not playing McNeese means he has one less game to get his QB ready for some Tough SEC play.
Miles for whatever reason figured we would live and die by the run. He never prepared to have this team beat anyone with our passing game. When the injuries occurred to Dillon and Moore we lost our ability to run the ball.
Something should have clicked in Miles's head that not playing McNeese means he has one less game to get his QB ready for some Tough SEC play.
Miles for whatever reason figured we would live and die by the run. He never prepared to have this team beat anyone with our passing game. When the injuries occurred to Dillon and Moore we lost our ability to run the ball.
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Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:26 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Every time I see "excuses" and putting it off on someone else it just reinforces to me where this country is headed....there is little accountability these days...just blame it on someone else. The truth is that the stage became to big and he list his confidence and couldn't connect on a simple wide open 10 yard pass. There should have been a change...at least for a quarter or two. Bottom line was he wasn't ready to handle the big stage. The first series against bama in the second half when LSU was driving to take the lead. He rolled out and had no pressure and threw it right to the bama defender...right there...on that play...it all began.....from that point on he had zero confidence. Say what you will about not letting him throw over the middle....but how could they....we couldn't even accurately complete a wide open 10 yard pass.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:43 am to Barrister
Just not very smart, can not retain what he is taught.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:55 am to siliconvalleytiger
IMO, Lack of reps against lesser competition has a lot to do with it. It's pretty hard running plays for the first time in live action against a defense the caliber of Bama.
I think he grasps the offense just fine but he struggles with accuracy and touch. He makes the right reads but just misses the receiver many times. I just don't understand why we refuse to give him easy throws (WR screens, quick slants, short outs, etc..) to start the game to help him get into a rhythm.
I think he grasps the offense just fine but he struggles with accuracy and touch. He makes the right reads but just misses the receiver many times. I just don't understand why we refuse to give him easy throws (WR screens, quick slants, short outs, etc..) to start the game to help him get into a rhythm.
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 7:58 am
Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:55 am to siliconvalleytiger
I agree with fear.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:04 am to Tigerinthehollow
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Every time I see "excuses"
So you are "excusing" Miles from his duty as a coach?
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and putting it off on someone else it just reinforces to me where this country is headed
Yes, the man making the millions is not accountable for his frick ups. The rich face no consequences for their actions. News flash this has been happening since the beginning of time.
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The truth is that the stage became to big and he list his confidence and couldn't connect on a simple wide open 10 yard pass.
If it was simple anyone could do it. There is nothing simple about playing D1 football.
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There should have been a change...at least for a quarter or two.
You speak of his confidence and think this would have boosted it???
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Bottom line was he wasn't ready to handle the big stage.
Who is responsible for getting him ready for the big stage. Let me give you a hint.
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The first series against bama in the second half when LSU was driving to take the lead. He rolled out and had no pressure and threw it right to the bama defender...right there...on that play...it all began.....from that point on he had zero confidence.
Yes so why didn't the play calling change for him to regain his confidence?
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Say what you will about not letting him throw over the middle....but how could they....we couldn't even accurately complete a wide open 10 yard pass.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:10 am to Tigerinthehollow
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Lol. The ole' it's the coaches fault thing.....lmao...you people I swear.
says with head stuck in sand! LOL
Anyone watch this season and not think QB non- development/playcalling etc.is just no fault of coaching is just in pure denial or whatever. BTW, been a fan and watching every Tiger game since born in 1956 and ST for 20y so yeah go ahead and dare to say I'm a bad fair-weather fan. Was at Bama and the pass/interception he threw right after half was the doom of the season. Of course, the Oline was dominated, then call plays to counter like quick slant, misdirection but they they definitely regressed from there!
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:20 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
What Hornet said is exactly right...you want harris to be accountable?....let miles lead the way then and own up to the fact that he cant even spell the words "passing game."
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:22 am to siliconvalleytiger
This stems from the offensive coaching.
They failed to:
- call unpredictable plays
- instill confidence in Harris using high % throws
- get the OL on the same page in pass pro
Because they didn't do these things, Harris was under fire from defenses and had no opportunity to get into a rhythm or rediscover the confidence he had early in the year.
They failed to:
- call unpredictable plays
- instill confidence in Harris using high % throws
- get the OL on the same page in pass pro
Because they didn't do these things, Harris was under fire from defenses and had no opportunity to get into a rhythm or rediscover the confidence he had early in the year.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:22 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Its pointless to argue with you. Bottom line is you put zero blame on Harris and all on the coaches. Its almost like you have a vested interest in Harris. I agree with you on this, it is miles and Cameron's fault for recruiting. Just my opinion as a successful business man, but if you really believe Harris shouldn't have the majority of the accountability then this type of thinking wont serve you well in life.
I especially like the part where you insinuate pulling him would only hurt his confidence more. This is exactly the type of mental toughness that we should want our starting qb to have. Jk
Again...bottom line...you have built in excuses and excuse BH from all accountability while blaming someone else. I cannot imagine how low your IQ must be. Now, bash away at me, but any reasonably intelligent person believes that everyone shares in the blame....except you.
I especially like the part where you insinuate pulling him would only hurt his confidence more. This is exactly the type of mental toughness that we should want our starting qb to have. Jk
Again...bottom line...you have built in excuses and excuse BH from all accountability while blaming someone else. I cannot imagine how low your IQ must be. Now, bash away at me, but any reasonably intelligent person believes that everyone shares in the blame....except you.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:25 am to TheCaterpillar
Lol....you are kin to hornet...I feel it. Yes...its everyone else's fault BH couldn't accurately complete a 10 yard pass without getting the intended rec decleated. Absolutely anyone and everyone's fault but BH. Lol. Carry on.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:25 am to Rickety Cricket
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His head coach
Lol
That didn't take long.
BH is an avg at best qb.
When you play lesser quality teams you look better.
When you play better defenses you get exposed for what you are.
End of story.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:29 am to RedTigerRulz
I give. You guys convinced me. BH has all of the qualities of an all-american qb and the fact he played poorly has nothing to do with his ability. I just wasn't looking at it right. Thanks for setting me straight....sometimes I get carried away and need to listen more to the intelligent, objective negatigers when trying to actually talk football. Thanks man for reeling me back in.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:32 am to jhhingle
Agree....pass to start second half sent us spiralling. I think team knew at that point game was over... Whether right or wrong. Not sure there is a lot of confidence in #6. Lf even alluded to it.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:33 am to Tigerinthehollow
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Lol....you are kin to hornet...I feel it. Yes...its everyone else's fault BH couldn't accurately complete a 10 yard pass without getting the intended rec decleated. Absolutely anyone and everyone's fault but BH. Lol. Carry on.
Its a trend with all of our quarterbacks.
I did not say it wasn't Brandon Harris' fault at all either. He has some blame for getting rattled and losing his confidence. The GREAT ones don't do this.
However, I do think our coaching staff put a young, inexperienced kid in a position to fail and he did just that.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:35 am to Tigerinthehollow
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You guys convinced me. BH has all of the qualities of an all-american qb and the fact he played poorly has nothing to do with his ability.
He has tons of physical ability, that really can't be denied.
He just hasn't put it into a game later in the season. And like I just said, the fault lies with both him and the coaching staff, but I'm inclined to put more on the coaches considering this seems to be an issue with most of our QBs under Miles.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:39 am to TheCaterpillar
Help us understand that position that he put Dural in at ole miss?
Perhaps the worst throw I've ever seen.
Perhaps the worst throw I've ever seen.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:39 am to Tigerinthehollow
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Bottom line is you put zero blame on Harris and all on the coaches. Its almost like you have a vested interest in Harris.
I do I am a fan and I want our program to be successful. I would like our players to reach their full potential. They committed to stay in state and represent LSU. Harris could have literally went to any other school in the nation, but he stayed home he deserves our support.
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I agree with you on this, it is miles and Cameron's fault for recruiting.
You are a stupid son of a bitch. Recruiting is the only thing they got right. Development is where they failed.
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but if you really believe Harris shouldn't have the majority of the accountability then this type of thinking wont serve you well in life.
STFU shite head. I have a degree in physics and mechanical engineering. I make over 100K a year and I am currently one of they youngest area leaders at my plant. There is not shite you can tell me about accountability.
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Again...bottom line...you have built in excuses and excuse BH from all accountability while blaming someone else. I cannot imagine how low your IQ must be. Now, bash away at me, but any reasonably intelligent person believes that everyone shares in the blame....except you.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Let me give you an example of how accountability works in the real world. If I do not meet my production goal, who do you think is responsible for this. The operator who didn't do his job that resulted in lost product? The shift supervisor who is responsible for managing his shift? Or me the area leader who is responsible for producing results despite the obstacles that may have gotten in the way. Corporate doesn't want to hear that the operator was taking a nap or wasn't near the equipment. The want to know why I didn't see to it that my operators were PROPERLY TRAINED!
With great power comes great responsibility
-Ben Parker
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:42 am to Tigerinthehollow
Definitely, and Oline 
But still think some misdirection or counter plays could help balance but yeah the mindset was already made! IDK the answer, must defer to some of these coaches LOL!
But still think some misdirection or counter plays could help balance but yeah the mindset was already made! IDK the answer, must defer to some of these coaches LOL!
Posted on 12/23/15 at 8:45 am to Makinbacon
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Help us understand that position that he put Dural in at ole miss?
Perhaps the worst throw I've ever seen.
That was the worst throw you've ever seen in competitive football?
Damn.
And clearly you can't comprehend what I'm saying in my previous posts, so its not worth expounding. This board is fricking awful.
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