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Posted on 4/5/16 at 6:57 pm to WhoDat937
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Show a Harris quote that contradicts it. Him saying that he doesn't know when the injury first FIRST occurred doesn't do that. Derp
Do you even understand the injury?
Harris was interviewed and said it was bothering him for a "long time" and that it was "something minor". He said that he doesn't know when the injury started.
If you don't understand how that contradicts a 3rd party saying they know exactly the day the injury occurred, I don't know what to tell you Les.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 7:12 pm to atltiger6487
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But I get so damn sick of the constant refrain of "first year starter," "he's young,"
There is a difference from being a first year starter and a true sophomore first year starter.
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So I just want the excuses to stop.
Yet you made one for mett, and are complaining about future comments that haven't even been made yet.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 7:14 pm to mmcgrath
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Harris was interviewed and said it was bothering him for a "long time" and that it was "something minor". He said that he doesn't know when the injury started.
If you don't understand how that contradicts a 3rd party saying they know exactly the day the injury occurred, I don't know what to tell you Les.
He said the procedure was something minor, which it is for a surgery. And do you understand the nature of a sports hernia?
The reason you haven't explained how it contradicts is that you can't.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 7:22 pm to Chris Warner
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Better, Faster, Stronger
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I've been waiting all night now
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That's how long I've been on ya
Posted on 4/5/16 at 7:45 pm to atltiger6487
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Now you go right ahead and argue all you want about how some of these guys were older, redshirted, whatever.
You mean we can argue about the entire point?
Any rational football fan will tell you that youth AND inexperience are a bad combo at the QB position. You can't prevent a first year starter, but you can prevent a true sophomore from having to start through proper recruiting and development of your other QBs.
Comparing a true sophomore to a RS upperclassman is absolutely illogical and idiotic. That is 2-3 extra years of development. I'd hope that QB would be far more advanced with double the amount of time.
Ever heard of the game slowing down for a player? Do you remember Jamarcus Russell as a RS Freshman? Now, do you remember him as a RS Sophomore and Junior?
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 8:25 pm to atltiger6487
You're the one who brought up definitions, you unrepentant jackass.
Its about experience as much as it is about maturity.
Every one of the quarterbacks you named either had the benefit of three full years of work in one system, or they had opportunities to get experience in JUCO/with other teams.
Freshmen and sophomores don't win in this league. They might win personal awards. But they don't win championships. No matter which way you try to slice it.
But, as I said before, there is no convincing people like you. So you win. BH sucked last year, because he's terrible and he will not be any good this year either. Enjoy your night, you miserable shite.
Its about experience as much as it is about maturity.
Every one of the quarterbacks you named either had the benefit of three full years of work in one system, or they had opportunities to get experience in JUCO/with other teams.
Freshmen and sophomores don't win in this league. They might win personal awards. But they don't win championships. No matter which way you try to slice it.
But, as I said before, there is no convincing people like you. So you win. BH sucked last year, because he's terrible and he will not be any good this year either. Enjoy your night, you miserable shite.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 8:36 pm to Guava Jelly
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But, as I said before, there is no convincing people like you. So you win. BH sucked last year, because he's terrible and he will not be any good this year either. Enjoy your night, you miserable shite.
that's a lot of anger, Guava. I must have hit a nerve.
I never said Harris sucked; never said he's terrible; and never said he won't be any good this year.
I simply listed the facts - that in the last 9 years, 8 SEC first-year starting QBs either won the conference, the NC, or the Heisman. Those are just the facts.
Do with it what you will.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 8:57 pm to atltiger6487
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must have hit a nerve.
The nerve that you hit is that you are having trouble following the logical chain of this conversation. You've repeatedly sidestepped and changed what has been said in an attempt to cover the fact that you posted something that is incorrect.
To that end, you tried to change the definition of the word "underclassmen." When there were rebuttals, you responded as if they were arguments of semantics... when you yourself started the chain of reasoning.
Now you've gotten to a point in your flawed logic that you think you're right in referring to guys like Cam Newton as "underclassmen".
So you see, my frustration lies in the fact that we're so far removed from my original point because you've served only to distract from it rather than rebut it.
People with poor critical thinking abilities irritate me.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:16 pm to Guava Jelly
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Every one of the quarterbacks you named either had the benefit of three full years of work in one system, or they had opportunities to get experience in JUCO/with other teams.
you're right...
except for Tebow (SOPH).
And Manziel (RS FR).
And Sims (new system with new OC his senior year).
And Coker (two years at Bama).
And Winston (RS FR).
And Watson (SOPH).
Look, let's end this. Sure, all things being equal, I'd love to have a steady stream of 5th year seniors that have taken some relevant snaps. I'm not denying that age and experience are good things. So we actually don't disagree that much.
All I'm saying is that those things aren't REQUIRED for a QB to be productive.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:38 pm to Guava Jelly
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pro definitely needs to be better way too many breakdowns in big situations last year
Agree. Our left tackle wasn't very good, and our right tackle should have been playing guard. Too slow for tackle spot. Good thing is weathersby played a good bit last year and should be ready to go.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:43 pm to atltiger6487
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I'm not denying that age and experience are good things. So we actually don't disagree that much. All I'm saying is that those things aren't REQUIRED for a QB to be productive.
They're not required if the quarterback is a natural, elite talent.
Deshaun Watson was the #1 DTQB in 2014.
Jameis Winston was the #1 DTQB in 2012.
Tim Tebow was the #1 DTQB in 2006
Manziel is the outlier here, but there is no doubt he was criminally underevaluated.
The truth is that all quarterbacks develop at different speeds and that more physically and mentally gifted recruits require fewer years to play at a high level than those who are less so. Y'all need to chill out with this first-year starter mantra... case in point, Matt Flynn was a first-year starter in his first year in an offensive system and won the SEC and BCS Championships.
ANY significant amount of training, coaching, and film study pays TREMENDOUS dividends for a quarterback's development, whether it is on the game day field or off.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:16 am to atltiger6487
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yea, the "youth" and "hernia" excuses will eventually run out of steam, but then it'll be that our offense is so complex that it can only be mastered by a 4th or 5th year QB. Look, I want Harris to play well and I hope he improves. I really do because I want us to have a shot at the playoffs, but I guess I'm just more of a realist, based on what I see with my own two eyes. I love my Tigers, but I'll never be mistaken for a homer, that's for sure.
You can be an optimist and a realist all the same. Its called being cautiously optimistic. I have eyes too. And I saw a talented kid with a big arm but with certain deficiencies in his game that needed to be overcome. Obvious he did not get any individual tutelage about being a true QB at HS level (very few HS QBS do).
Look, it is on BH. The day he can consistently pass to the middle of the field when receivers are running short to intermediary routes and not deliver the ball high and too fast you will see the offense open up. That is when the TE position will be effectively utilized in the passing game. Until then it won't. Granted Miles/Cam have a conservative streak about these things and Les will give his right arm to prevent another 2008 Lee-esque INT fest. But its more on BH. Its up to him to take it to the next level. If he can't, it may be one of the factors that will end Miles' tenure.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:35 am to HogIslandDuckman
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If you follow BHarris on snapchat you will realize wise is not a real way to describe him...
I wouldn't describe anyone who follows ANYONE on snapchat as "wise". Technology is not your friend, go find a real one.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:31 am to chilge1
quote:As 3rd yr Soph had about 15 att prior to 7/7-3TD 4th qtr vs UNT, and approx 35 att in 3 seasons prior to a very good 200yd/2TD MVP performance vs Miami.
Matt Flynn was a first-year starter in his first year in an offensive system and won the SEC and BCS Championships.
#2 QBs with little more than Saturday handoff rep experience often enter games and torch defenses.
quote:I'm amazed at the number of rantards who think the only valuable reps are those they can see with their own eyes on Saturdays.
training, coaching, and film study pays TREMENDOUS dividends for a quarterback's development, whether it is on the game day field or off.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 12:13 pm to Canwoodtiger
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You can be an optimist and a realist all the same. Its called being cautiously optimistic. I have eyes too. And I saw a talented kid with a big arm but with certain deficiencies in his game that needed to be overcome. Obvious he did not get any individual tutelage about being a true QB at HS level (very few HS QBS do). Look, it is on BH. The day he can consistently pass to the middle of the field when receivers are running short to intermediary routes and not deliver the ball high and too fast you will see the offense open up. That is when the TE position will be effectively utilized in the passing game. Until then it won't. Granted Miles/Cam have a conservative streak about these things and Les will give his right arm to prevent another 2008 Lee-esque INT fest. But its more on BH. Its up to him to take it to the next level. If he can't, it may be one of the factors that will end Miles' tenure.
I wonder if the D shows significant improvement if Miles will loosen the reins on Harris more. I think everything works in a wholistic manner. A lack of confidence in the D also pushes Les to use more ball control, burn clock and keep the D off the field.
If our D starts generating turnovers and getting 3 and outs I think Harris will be allowed to take more risks.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:39 pm to Chris Warner
Didn't he have that last year?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 5:44 pm to Rakim
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He has to do more than he has been asked to do. Otherwise expect the same results. Cam has to be proactive, not reactive with the passing game. Why the hell else do you recruit the Dupree, Johnsons and Durals of the world?
They threw the ball a little more three years ago and Cameron was the OC, too. For the 250 millionth f**king time, it's not on Cameron. Look at the head coach. This philosophy has been in place through three different coordinators for the last seven seasons.
Some of the people on this board are pretty damn clueless.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 5:55 pm to cheo25
This is do or die year for BH...if he can't improve his touch with Craig and Cam both tutoring him, too bad...it'll be time to move on to the "next up" QB...
I hope for LSU's sake he is able to mature and develop.But don't say it's Cam and Craig that have failed if he doesn't cut it...there are no excuses this go-round!
I hope for LSU's sake he is able to mature and develop.But don't say it's Cam and Craig that have failed if he doesn't cut it...there are no excuses this go-round!
Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:27 pm to cheo25
quote:Yea don't these idiots realize Miles wasn't the HC three years ago?
They threw the ball a little more three years ago and Cameron was the OC, too. For the 250 millionth f**king time, it's not on Cameron. Look at the head coach.
quote:smh
pretty damn clueless
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