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Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:21 am to SM6
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Watkins
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Delatte
Anybody know anything about these guys?
BTW this lineup is fricking sick and is basically the exact same team from last year.
I have a feeling this season is gonna be fun as hell.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:23 am to BomBayTiger
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Watkins
Watkins produce very well at LSU-E and has some ser i ous wheels.......Nola batting second will take a lot of pitches which will help Watkins get some stolen bases too. Very good OB %......gonna be fun to see how well he adjusts to D-1 baseball.
Delatte........great glove and strong arm
Not sure about his bat
Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:25 am to BomBayTiger
Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:26 am to Adam4848
To add on to that, Mainieri thinks Hanover is the 2nd best hitter on the team behind Dean, said he'll prob hit in the 3 hole next year, he very well could be the cleanup hitter all year. His size has very little to do with it. This kid did hit the hell out of the ball in high school and Adam is dead on again.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:21 pm to Baloo
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Well, ANYONE hitting in the 4th position on this team will have a monster RBI year just by virtue of opporunity. You could hit 240 and still probably have 50 to 60 RBI's just by hitting with the bases full of runners so often.
You think 50 to 60 RBIs is a "Monster" year? In college baseball at LSU no less?
I think you're wrong about ANYONE being able to hit in the 4 position. First of all you need to have at least some gap power (like Hanover) and second you have to "embrace" the position and not succumb to the pressure. We will see if Hanover has "IT" to be in the 4 hole.
I think he will do great...
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:39 pm to Cookieman
Yes, averaging nearly an RBI a game is truly terrible. My point is that you could hit a ton of RBI's while hitting 240 just by virtue of lineup position. Way to miss the point. RBI's are a function of opportunity more than anything (SEE Carter, Joe)
And EVERY hitter on LSU has gap power. Well, maybe not Nola, but you get the gist. Hanover wins the lottery. Good for him. But don't judge him on his RBI's.
And EVERY hitter on LSU has gap power. Well, maybe not Nola, but you get the gist. Hanover wins the lottery. Good for him. But don't judge him on his RBI's.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:55 pm to In The Know
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this won't work and won't last long.
Thanks, that clears things up. I'll defer to the man that has won a national title and watches these guys in practice every day.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:57 pm to Baloo
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Yes, averaging nearly an RBI a game is truly terrible. My point is that you could hit a ton of RBI's while hitting 240 just by virtue of lineup position. Way to miss the point. RBI's are a function of opportunity more than anything (SEE Carter, Joe)
How is 50-60 RBIs averaging an RBI a game? Im assuming we make it to at least the Supers. 60 is kinda close i guess. And no..that still isnt "Monster" numbers. I think 70-80 are "Monster" numbers. And no I didnt miss your pt. Opportunities are great...but hell...with an LSU lineup, the number 8 or 9 hitters should have alot of opportunities...right? I mean if a Mahtook or Landry hits in the 5 or 6 hole..arent we just starting it all over again?
Ya...I know Most of the LSU hitters have Gap power..but some more consistant than others imo. The idea that one cant judge Hanover's effectiveness by the number of RBIs is silly. That's what a 4-hole hitter is for...to be able to hit with runners in scoring position. Not everyone has that ability. We'll see...but saying Hanover just "won the lottery" instead of "Hanover has obviousy shown PM something that makes him believe he can be the cleanup hitter" is pathetic.
PS I just want to add that I think guys like Mahtook and Landry dont get the nod at the 4 spot because of their great speed. Better to put them in the 5 or 6 to let them jump start another rally. So to me...in reality...the competition for the 4 hole (guys with experience) comes down to Hanover and Gibbs. Ok...Nola also i suppose...but he hasnt proven to be able to hit for avg or power.
This post was edited on 2/19/10 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/19/10 at 1:53 pm to Baloo
Is it 7 o'clock yet?!? 
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:19 pm to Cookieman
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How is 50-60 RBIs averaging an RBI a game? Im assuming we make it to at least the Supers. 60 is kinda close i guess.
Hence the use of the word "nearly".
quote:The point is that the player could be a BAD hitter (hitting 240) and still get 50-60 RBI. A merely average hitter would put up great numbers. Don't read into "run producing". it only tells you where a guy hit in the order. So of course, you did miss the point.
And no..that still isnt "Monster" numbers. I think 70-80 are "Monster" numbers.
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Opportunities are great...but hell...with an LSU lineup, the number 8 or 9 hitters should have alot of opportunities...right?
Not as much as hitting in the 4 hole behind our best hitter. Lineups are, shockingly, designed to put the best hitters up top. The hitters in the middle of the order will have the most RBI simply by design.
quote:Some are more consistent. Is Hanover one of those consistent guys? Are you gonna argue that Gibbs is an "inconsistent" hitter? And it's not silly that you can't judge Hanover, or ANYONE, by RBI. It's a usage stat. I disregard it entirely for every player. I don't care how many RBI's a guy got. We're hardly getting into deep sabermetric stuff to point out that where you hit in the order has more to do with your RBI's than any other factor (hence the reference to Joe Carter).
Ya...I know Most of the LSU hitters have Gap power..but some more consistant than others imo. The idea that one cant judge Hanover's effectiveness by the number of RBIs is silly.
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That's what a 4-hole hitter is for...to be able to hit with runners in scoring position. Not everyone has that ability.
Well, yes. Those people are called BAD hitters. The idea that a good hitter suddenly loses the ability to hit when runners are on base is not one I subscribe to. there's been forests killed with the studies regarding the existence of a clutch hitter, but none have found one yet. The clutch hitter may exist, but we don't know how to show it yet.
quote:Why? It is like winning the lottery. I don't mean it as a negative. I just mean that Hanover just saw his RBI totals go up by 20 or so, just by moving the back of the lineup to the middle. Nowhere do I say, or even suggest, that he is a bad hitter. Getting to hit cleanup in the LSU lineup is like being a kid in a candy story. It's the best gig in college baseball. You'll also note that I didn't CRITICIZE the decsion in any way.
We'll see...but saying Hanover just "won the lottery" instead of "Hanover has obviousy shown PM something that makes him believe he can be the cleanup hitter" is pathetic.
quote:Well, Landry doesn't get it because he strikes out waaaaay too much. And why can't you have a fast #4 hitter? How great would it be to hit a bases clearing double and then steal third?
just want to add that I think guys like Mahtook and Landry dont get the nod at the 4 spot because of their great speed. Better to put them in the 5 or 6 to let them jump start another rally.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:21 pm to SM6
Micah Gibbs batted clean up most of last year.
Hanover is a better hitter than Gibbs. Even as a Freshman.
I think he is a great option in the 4 hole. He showed flashes of power last year, as well as gap power and was a clutch hitter at times.
People need to stop looking at his stature. The kid can flat out hit.
Hanover is a better hitter than Gibbs. Even as a Freshman.
I think he is a great option in the 4 hole. He showed flashes of power last year, as well as gap power and was a clutch hitter at times.
People need to stop looking at his stature. The kid can flat out hit.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
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People need to stop looking at his stature.
Yeah Short people rise up!!
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:28 pm to More beer please
I mean its not like we are talking Bruce Sprowl here.
Like someone said, Schimpf was 5'8" on a good day and could hit it a mile.
Fontentot was one of the best players at LSU the last decade.
Hanover has that kind of talent.
Like someone said, Schimpf was 5'8" on a good day and could hit it a mile.
Fontentot was one of the best players at LSU the last decade.
Hanover has that kind of talent.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:32 pm to Lester Earl
Hi Lester, you are being paged in the OT.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:36 pm to Lester Earl
Someone once said....the leadoff hitter is only garaunteed to lead off in the first inning....the cleanup hitter could actually be the leadoff hitter in the 2nd.
Where's my beer?
Where's my beer?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:39 pm to LSUTygerFan
beer for what
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:40 pm to Lester Earl
For to drink.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:41 pm to LSUTygerFan
Im right here 
Posted on 2/19/10 at 2:50 pm to Cookieman
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Cookieman
you have reading comprehension issues
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