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re: Griffin Herring still dealing

Posted on 5/2/25 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52342 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 1:39 pm to
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Roger Clemens says velocity is totally over rated what a pitcher needs is control (location).

Well, Roger Clemens said something stupid. Go figure. What they need is both, which is what Roger Clemens had.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/2/25 at 2:07 pm to
Penny, who are you taking, Nolan Ryan or Rocket ?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/2/25 at 2:23 pm to
Steriods is the final link in the chain. Dont forget that one.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4534 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 2:41 pm to
Had full command and control. Low and away or up and in, he was a master of it. It’s nice to have the 95+ fastball but if you work every edge and level of the zone, you can be lethal without the 95+ fastball.
Posted by CWILKS3
Covington
Member since Apr 2020
1082 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 3:23 pm to
Not sure if anyone noticed, but he struck out Konnor Griffin to start the game off in that clip that OP posted.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52342 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 4:56 pm to
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who are you taking, Nolan Ryan or Rocket ?

Same is true of each of them. A pitcher can’t just throw hard, nor can he just have movement (with a very few exceptions). It’s like people saying “Defense wins championships”; well, you have to have defense, offense and special teams to win championships.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:03 pm to
You should be a politician, pennie
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52342 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:07 pm to
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You should be a politician, pennie

Too lazy, and though I’m not very honest, I’m still too honest for that.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53788 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:12 pm to
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because umpires are way way better than back then



Explain why we’re trying to get roboumps now
Posted by TigerKing19
Mississippi Gulf Coast
Member since Aug 2020
1337 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:16 pm to
Right I don't think they've been watching much baseball lately. A lot of umpires are garbage today in both college and MLB.
Posted by grape nutz
sesame street
Member since Mar 2006
3711 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:27 pm to
Just figured you should know since you were the Maddox expert.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6710 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:21 am to
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Can we talk about the camera angle of this footage? Can we petition to get this angle as the standard for baseball viewing?


This was the angle I grew up watching all the time. I don't know why we get so many off-centered views now.
Posted by LSUtigerNVegas
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2024
572 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:00 am to
That’s not a cutter. It’s breaking away from the opposite hand hitter. That means it’s a change-up or sinker. I couldn’t tell the velo on the pitch so I’m not sure which one it is. If it’s low to mid 80’s it’s a change-up, if it’s high 80’s low 90’s it’s a sinker. You are correct when you said “it’s nasty” though. All 3 pitches look like they are coming from the same arm slot. When you put all 3 pitches on an overlay I’d be willing to bet they come out of the same arm slot and look nearly identical. That with pinpoint command will make you a top 5-10 pitcher in the MLB regardless of velocity.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6710 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:26 am to
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That’s not a cutter. It’s breaking away from the opposite hand hitter. That means it’s a change-up or sinker. I couldn’t tell the velo on the pitch so I’m not sure which one it is. If it’s low to mid 80’s it’s a change-up, if it’s high 80’s low 90’s it’s a sinker. You are correct when you said “it’s nasty” though. All 3 pitches look like they are coming from the same arm slot. When you put all 3 pitches on an overlay I’d be willing to bet they come out of the same arm slot and look nearly identical. That with pinpoint command will make you a top 5-10 pitcher in the MLB regardless of velocity.


I realize that it has opposite movement than normal, but the movement does not appear to behave like a sinker or changeup. You could call it a screwball, I suppose, but I call a pitch that cuts, a cutter. A screwball is supposed to be sort of a backwards curveball. Whatever it is, is looks like a fastball and has that late cutting action, and the fact that it's moving away I think is even more effective than a normal cutter. You just don't expect a pitch to do that.

If it is a changeup, it's the strangest and filthiest changeup I've maybe ever seen. Very late movement, as opposed to a fading action. Could be a splitter, but I don't see any sink.
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