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Great article summarizing Burrow's arm strength vs current players & draftees
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:45 am
Article is very long and gets into the details of comparing 3 key factors
1. Max launch velocity
2. Avg release time
3. Trigger time
Summary chart of all 3 metrics:
Max launch velocity
Average release time
Trigger time
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1. Max launch velocity
2. Avg release time
3. Trigger time
Summary chart of all 3 metrics:
Max launch velocity
Average release time
Trigger time
quote:
TL;DR
Of the four quarterback prospects, Jordan Love has the strongest arm. With a maximum launch velocity that’s nearly equivalent to a 98 mile per hour fastball, he’s able to make some throws the other QBs cannot. While Tua Tagovailoa’s arm is a concern, he makes up for it with the quickest throwing motion I’ve ever analyzed — yes, it’s faster than Dan Marino’s. Joe Burrow, on the other hand, was in the middle of the pack for both arm strength and release time, but he’s the quickest decision maker. In fact, he took less time, on average, to pull the trigger on throws than any other quarterback I’ve tracked. Justin Herbert was generally around average for each metric. I see Joe Burrow having Joe Montana-like talent (not necessarily the same career), Tua is a combination of Drew Brees’s 40-year-old arm and Mike Vick’s 37-year-old legs, Love reminds me of a mini Josh Allen, and Herbert has a striking resemblance to Derek Anderson. And if the NFL Combine wants to hit me up for ideas on how to improve their process, my DMs are wide open.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:53 am to Bamboozles
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Tua is a combination of Drew Brees’s 40-year-old arm and Mike Vick’s 37-year-old legs
ETA, Though he's not on this list at all I'd like to thank Shea Patterson again for not attending LSU.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:58 am to Bamboozles
quote:
And if the NFL Combine wants to hit me up for ideas on how to improve their process, my DMs are wide open.
LOL
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:43 am to Bamboozles
None of that means anything since he has small hands. ;)
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:46 am to Bamboozles
Yep, Joe’s mental processor is what makes him so good, and allows him some time others don’t have in the pocket.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:47 am to Bamboozles
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I see Joe Burrow having Joe Montana-like talent
Sweet baby Jesus!
...but we already kinda knew that...
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:40 pm to Bamboozles
This is a hell of a long troll of Tuna.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 3:58 pm to Bamboozles
You could argue that there are two main types of QBs:
Arm-Strength/Velocity QBs
Timing/Touch QBs
Joe's dad was a QB at Ole Miss until he transferred and switched to Safety at Nebraska. Unitas was Jimmy's idol, and he taught those concepts to Joe from the time Joe could walk. Timing /Touch is the style that Joe Burrow MASTERED. Probably why Brees is Joe's QB icon.
If Jimmy brought Joe up to throw bullets, he'd likely be around the very top of that list by now.
Touch QBs are not inferior to velocity QBs. Just a different technique.
BTW, how did LSU's Touch-QB do against all those really-good Velocity-QBs in the 2019 season?
[and when Joe NEEDS to fire it, he can fire it]
Arm-Strength/Velocity QBs
Timing/Touch QBs
Joe's dad was a QB at Ole Miss until he transferred and switched to Safety at Nebraska. Unitas was Jimmy's idol, and he taught those concepts to Joe from the time Joe could walk. Timing /Touch is the style that Joe Burrow MASTERED. Probably why Brees is Joe's QB icon.
If Jimmy brought Joe up to throw bullets, he'd likely be around the very top of that list by now.
Touch QBs are not inferior to velocity QBs. Just a different technique.
BTW, how did LSU's Touch-QB do against all those really-good Velocity-QBs in the 2019 season?
[and when Joe NEEDS to fire it, he can fire it]
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:04 pm to Bamboozles
That was interesting to read. Thanks for posting
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:05 pm to Bamboozles
Burrow's trigger time, i.e., his decision-making time is off the charts and when it is combined with his unreal accuracy, it puts him ahead of everyone else in the game, in my opinion.
Having a stronger arm without the excellent ability to make quick and accurate reads and without Joe Burrow's level of accuracy is more or less useless. Not to mention that throwing a super fastball is also much harder to catch for receivers.
Having a stronger arm without the excellent ability to make quick and accurate reads and without Joe Burrow's level of accuracy is more or less useless. Not to mention that throwing a super fastball is also much harder to catch for receivers.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:24 pm to NattyTiger19
Accuracy is a stat that seems to translate from one level to the next. Good indicator of decision making and risk tolerance
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:26 pm to NattyTiger19
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Not to mention that throwing a super fastball is also much harder to catch for receivers.
^^Probably the most common complaint from WRs to Velocity-QBs, "Why'd you throw it so damn hard? I was 15 yards away from you?". And most such QBs just shrug it off and throw it harder the next time.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:31 pm to Bamboozles
I really like the info here. One question:
For max launch velocity I wonder if they took into account the type of throws? For instance, if I evaluate a QB that throws a greater number of deep shots he would presumably be throwing harder to push the ball further downfield than a QB like Tua that throws a ton behind the LOS or within the first 10 yards.
Not poking holes, but it may be an explanation for Tua’s number on velocity being so low, since he supposedly has at least an average arm.
For max launch velocity I wonder if they took into account the type of throws? For instance, if I evaluate a QB that throws a greater number of deep shots he would presumably be throwing harder to push the ball further downfield than a QB like Tua that throws a ton behind the LOS or within the first 10 yards.
Not poking holes, but it may be an explanation for Tua’s number on velocity being so low, since he supposedly has at least an average arm.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:45 pm to Bamboozles
Thisnis about where you would expect Joe to be.
Honestly people talk about him arm being “average”, and that’s sorta a relative thing. It’s average for people who have above average arms to begin with.
I’ve never really seen an issue trance where he didn’t have enough arm. We’ve all seen him throw it deep and we’ve all seen him thread the needle.
He also has great mechanics and uses his lower body well to get 100% out of his arm.
Honestly people talk about him arm being “average”, and that’s sorta a relative thing. It’s average for people who have above average arms to begin with.
I’ve never really seen an issue trance where he didn’t have enough arm. We’ve all seen him throw it deep and we’ve all seen him thread the needle.
He also has great mechanics and uses his lower body well to get 100% out of his arm.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 4:55 pm to SammyTiger
Throwing with touch is Joe's strength, not his weakness.
When a fireballer has the best passing season in the history of college football, I might change my mind.
When a fireballer has the best passing season in the history of college football, I might change my mind.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 5:02 pm to Bamboozles
Summary of all that?
He Good
He Good
Posted on 5/10/20 at 5:13 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Do you have to be the best ever to be really good?
Mahomes has two huge years in college playing with a handful of mid rounders and 0 drafted OL.
There are definitely guys who are all arm and no touch or brains. Josh Allen.
But my point is that people act like Burrow has no arm at all.
Mahomes has two huge years in college playing with a handful of mid rounders and 0 drafted OL.
There are definitely guys who are all arm and no touch or brains. Josh Allen.
But my point is that people act like Burrow has no arm at all.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 5:20 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
But my point is that people act like Burrow has no arm at all.
Agree that Joe's arm strength is underestimated because he rarely pulls the trigger on the fast ball. Joe is about timing and touch.
Still a lot of people who think ball velocity is the main measure of QB talent. Even after Unitas, Montana, Brady, and Brees (and now Burrow) have proven the opposite.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 5:28 pm to Bamboozles
Trigger time has a lot to do with someone being open...thanks Joe Brady
Posted on 5/10/20 at 5:33 pm to Genestealer55
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Trigger time has a lot to do with someone being open...thanks Joe Brady
Huh?
10 different QBs can have the same open guy situation and you'll see 10 different trigger speeds.
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