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re: Grant Taylor question

Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:43 pm to
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rehab time for TJ has literally zero

Rehab includes
quote:

restoring mobility and strength.

So it's not "literally zero"
Posted by TigerKurt
Kenner, LA
Member since Apr 2005
883 posts
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:54 pm to
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ell_

Are you an expert on EVERYTHING??
Or do you just think you are?

This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 8:56 pm
Posted by 22jctiger22
Member since Apr 2013
373 posts
Posted on 6/18/23 at 10:32 pm to
Losing Taylor was such a huge blow. Dude was by far our best arm not named Skenes.
Posted by cajun12
Houma, LA
Member since Sep 2004
2473 posts
Posted on 6/18/23 at 11:06 pm to
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No. stop. One of the dumbest traditions across LSU baseball and football is passing down a number because one dude had a great season. There is no reason to make #20 a thing.


It has nothing to do with the season Skenes had…..it has to do with the reason he is wearing #20.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24923 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 6:46 am to
NIL makes it difficult to tell what kids are going to do. Kids can make good money and have more fun in college. Paul Skenes made a ton of money for himself this year by increasing his draft stock. Is Grant Taylor going to make more money by taking NIL money and bank on raising his draft stock next year? Who knows?

But with NIL, the decision is much more difficult
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68677 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:13 am to
Coleman got his surgery right as last season started and he wasnt able to come back till mid April competitively on the mound this season. He also hasn't pitched since May 26th now against A&M back then.

It's a complete wild card when and how effective Taylor would pitch season if he came back. He could just take the pro money now if he wants and recover all next year as a pro. He could come back and maybe pitch somewhere in mid to late SEC play as well like Coleman probably did. Maybe he could make it back a little sooner, maybe he doesnt get well enough to pitch and throw well enough to throw all year. It's a gamble for him.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 8:51 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85309 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:14 am to
I got TJ surgery. There is no “new procedure” that allows guys to come back faster. Even back when I did it, it just depends on the player, any setbacks, reliever vs starter, etc. Determann was back in 10 months. Remember him? Some guys take as long as 15.

The ligament is replaced during TJ surgery. A tendon is used either from the forearm or the knee. You’re immobilized for a week and then you’re out of your soft cast and into a brace and start the mobility process. There’s no way to do it faster than what the elbow allows. It’s the most painful process because it hurts like hell trying to force it to straighten or bend. Only once the mobility gets better and the wound heals can you start even doing basic forearm exercises. It can take up to 3 months to get full extension back. Again, there’s no speeding this up. You’re rebuilding shoulder strength that last 6-9 months. The elbow is healed and isn’t “rehabbed” itself. The last half of rehab is all about the rebuild. This is actually what helps players throw harder. It’s a chance to completely reset your shoulder and mechanics. The elbow is no different and plays no part. The tendon becomes a ligament is all.

ETA: There is a procedure for partial tears or detachments that braces it while it heals on it’s own and that is a 6-month rehab because you “might” be able to start throwing again in 10 weeks so the rebuild isn’t as extensive but it’s not a true TJ surgery.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 8:28 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56940 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:39 am to
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Coleman got his surgery before last season started


I don't think that's correct. I think he pitched last year...and it was quiet about his condition for a bit which gave the impression that they went through a period of deciding about TJ.

I did not expect Coleman to be back this year. I think his recovery time is probably best case scenario.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 8:40 am
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1238 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:46 am to
100% this. Hurd will be very good next year and Jay will continue to win in the portal.

I think the HS kid from IMG was hitting upper 90s. Let's hope he makes it to campus. Realistically, he is unlikely to be a Friday night guy next year, though.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68677 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:52 am to
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I don't think that's correct. I think he pitched last year...and it was quiet about his condition for a bit which gave the impression that they went through a period of deciding about TJ.



You're right, it was shortly after the season started, my bad there. He had his TJ in March, not February like Taylor did. So he did have his surgery about a month before Coleman did in terms of time period within the year.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85309 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:54 am to
He only pitched in 2 games in 2022. He came back in April of this year. It was over 12 months between appearances.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
14162 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:56 am to
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After his injury, Taylor told Jay he intends to come back. He is draft eligible sophomore, so he won't lose his leverage. Of course, he has had plenty of time to change his mind. We will see.



It makes sense to me for him to show the MLB next year that he has recovered and can pitch at a high level. He'll still have draft leverage as a junior too. But it's a tough call for a young man with a lot of money thrown at him.
Posted by LSU1SLU
Member since Mar 2013
7163 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:49 am to
He will enjoy being drafted
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279495 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:52 am to
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After his injury, Taylor told Jay he intends to come back



any link to this? I dont think this is common knowledge nor have i seen it publicly spoken
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
6067 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:05 am to
Jay mentioned it at the coaches committee meeting right before the year started. You have to keep it in perspective because that was some ago. Taylor had just had the surgery and was probably still working through the emotions of the loss season. He might have thought his draft stock would drop but it hasn't really. I wouldn't say it is etched in stone but at that time his intentions were to return and Jay had enough faith in it to make it public. Like I said, we will see. People do change their minds.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5575 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:06 am to
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any link to this? I dont think this is common knowledge nor have i seen it publicly spoken

I don't know about a link but I can say with 100% certainty Jay said Taylor intends to come back shortly after his TJ.

ETA - see article below.

Nola.com article from March 27
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Right-hander Grant Taylor also tore his ulnar collateral ligament this January, and has underwent surgery. Taylor is the No. 82 overall prospect on MLB Pipeline's Top 100 this year, but has decided to use a medical redshirt to return next year.

"He's an elite student," Johnson said. "He came in with all kinds of AP credits and is one of those guys that could graduate in three years' time. Obviously, saves the redshirt year for this year. He likes being here and, obviously, I want him here as long as he's willing to stay here. If we get a month and a half out of him in 2024 — that's good by me. He'll have his degree and have all the leverage in the world."

Like others have said, this was months ago and the pre-draft process may have provided him with information that makes him rethink his decision, but in March, he was set to return in '24.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 10:10 am
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279495 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:12 am to
yea, ive read that. That isn't Taylor saying he intends to come back.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5575 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:20 am to
I mean it's Jay saying Taylor told him he's coming back.

Grant Taylor has given one interview ever while at LSU. This is the best source on the topic outside of Taylor himself.

The medical red shirt quote, given by Jay, tells me it was a real discussion and not blowing smoke. So at that time, Taylor was coming back. Nothing has really been said about it since then.

I tend to think he sees the pros in coming back and rehabbing at LSU, unless a team takes him in the top 3 rounds (obviously meaning they hit his number prior to selecting him), as (I believe) he would be leaving money on the table taking round 4+ slot value. Unless of course a team takes him later, goes overslot, and still hits his number
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279495 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:29 am to
Jay says “he likes being here”.

Not trying to argue but that doesn’t say he intends to come back. If he says that hat at a coaches meeting, great. It hasn’t been publicized though.

Most draft talk considers him more of 50/50.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5575 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:39 am to
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Not trying to argue but that doesn’t say he intends to come back. If he says that hat at a coaches meeting, great. It hasn’t been publicized though.

Jay specifically said he intends to return in '24. I don't know where that video is, but I heard Jay say it.

You're right though, it hasn't been publicized. That could be because no one has asked about it since March, or it could be because Taylor changed his mind. Either way, we'll find out in 3 weeks. At this point, I don't think it changes anything you do recruiting/portal wise this offseason, as Taylor won't be ready until March in the absolute best possible case scenario.
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