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re: Give MM 3 years and quit whining.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:23 pm to Alt26
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:23 pm to Alt26
It’s rather naïve to think that opposing coaches recruiting against LSU are not going use our possible NCAA difficulties against us or that parents trying to guide their difference maker kid is not going to use that fact in their decision making process.
Some seem to think that the worst is over with the firing of Wade, but the one thing I know about the NCAA is that no one ever knows what those suckers are gonna come down with until it’s announced.
Hopefully that will be soon and hopefully the team will begin to play better.
Some seem to think that the worst is over with the firing of Wade, but the one thing I know about the NCAA is that no one ever knows what those suckers are gonna come down with until it’s announced.
Hopefully that will be soon and hopefully the team will begin to play better.
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:01 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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It’s rather naïve to think that opposing coaches recruiting against LSU
I'm sure they are. But to what effect? Do you think that wasn't being used against Wade the last three years? The yahoo article came out in March of 2019. Yet, he continued to recruit well and likely would have had a top 10 class this season had he not been fired. Do you not think opposing coaches would used that against Memphis, Kansas, Arizona, etc? Yet they recruited fine under that "cloud of uncertainty". It's because the players don't really care.
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our possible NCAA difficulties
What difficulties? The future loss of a few scholarships? That the coaches won't be able to go on quite as many recruiting trips? The players being recruited TODAY don't care about future recruits. Their mindset is what can you do for ME now?
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but the one thing I know about the NCAA is that no one ever knows what those suckers are gonna come down with until it’s announced.
The "NCAA" is not making the decision or investigating the case. The IARP is. Of the 6 cases they were assigned, 3 have been decided. NONE have received a postseason ban. They seem to be sending a clear message of punishing the wrongdoers...not the players and coaches on the team who are not accused of doing anything wrong. THAT is why LSU fired Wade. LSU is going to throw Wade completely under the bus (they likely already have in the investigation) and paint him as a rouge, uncooperative coach. LSU is going to argue the AD, HC, and all suspect players are now gone. So punishing the current coaches/players for the sins of others with something like a postseason ban is completely unjust.
The last time the NCAA (not IARP) issued a postseason ban was to Oklahoma St. on the eve of the start of last season. That led to an emotional press conference with the OSU head coach and AD blasting the NCAA for the decision. The HC expressly said in the press conference to NOT cooperate with the NCAA because OSU did so, and their players (who had nothing to do with the violations) now have to suffer the consequences. OSU's cooperation got them nothing. It was embarrassing for the NCAA
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:09 pm to Alt26
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The "NCAA" is not making the decision or investigating the case. The IARP is. Of the 6 cases they were assigned, 3 have been decided. NONE have received a postseason ban. They seem to be sending a clear message of punishing the wrongdoers...not the players and coaches on the team who are not accused of doing anything wrong. THAT is why LSU fired Wade. LSU is going to throw Wade completely under the bus (they likely already have in the investigation) and paint him as a rouge, uncooperative coach. LSU is going to argue the AD, HC, and all suspect players are now gone. So punishing the current coaches/players for the sins of others with something like a postseason ban is completely unjust.
The last time the NCAA (not IARP) issued a postseason ban was to Oklahoma St. on the eve of the start of last season. That led to an emotional press conference with the OSU head coach and AD blasting the NCAA for the decision. The HC expressly said in the press conference to NOT cooperate with the NCAA because OSU did so, and their players (who had nothing to do with the violations) now have to suffer the consequences. OSU's cooperation got them nothing. It was embarrassing for the NCAA
Wow. I didn’t know all that.
Definitely something to think about.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:24 pm to S
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I’d be a lot more sympathetic to the whole “he inherited nothing” thing if multiple other coaches in our league didn’t walk into the almost exact situation and find a way to assemble a roster that doesn’t get brained every night
I’d be surprised of we don’t finish with 5-6 wins in league play. The schedule is much much much easier from here on out.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:24 pm to mmcgrath
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Which of those teams had an empty roster
This narrative is so tired, he was able to keep 3 players from the roster, Arizona was able to keep more players, but the situations were the same. More players wouldve stayed if they bought into mcmonotones system.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:32 pm to Alt26
Yep, going along with the ncaa gets you nothing and little bitch boy Scotty went right along with them.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:22 pm to TigerinKorea
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The people who forgot this was a total tear down and rebuild, and were expecting this team to come out like the ‘96 Bulls have been being ridiculous. They should be mad at themselves for expecting too much from this team, and for moronically blaming Scott for everything. Anybody with a brain knew this would be a rough season.
Yeah, I think some of the most vocal whiners were themselves student managers for their high schools basketball team. So they feel a kinship with Wade. Like a towel washers union.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:38 pm to Alt26
quote:Yes, and we can see by the violations that Wade was still sloppily offering cash to recruits to overcome that. Using Wade as an example to live up to is strange since he is responsible for all the violations putting us in this mess.
I'm sure they are. But to what effect? Do you think that wasn't being used against Wade the last three years? The yahoo article came out in March of 2019. Yet, he continued to recruit well and likely would have had a top 10 class this season had he not been fired. Do you not think opposing coaches would used that against Memphis, Kansas, Arizona, etc? Yet they recruited fine under that "cloud of uncertainty". It's because the players don't really care.
I hope the special board goes easy on LSU. I think Wade will get a serious show cause of 5-15 years.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:42 pm to rutiger
quote:Why do you guys keep insisting that Arozona was the same? The core 6 guys for a top 20 team were in place. The top 3 scorers. The top 2 rebounders. The top assist guy. Are you really comparing that to Adam Miller, Mwani, and JWill, all of whom had to be recruited back from the portal???
This narrative is so tired, he was able to keep 3 players from the roster, Arizona was able to keep more players, but the situations were the same. More players wouldve stayed if they bought into mcmonotones system.
One of them was the 6th pick in the NBA Draft. Another was a 7 footer drafted in the 2nd round currently on the Raptors. Who like that was sitting around for McMahon???
Sorry but your definition of "same" has some serious issues.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:50 pm to T
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I’d be surprised of we don’t finish with 5-6 wins in league play. The schedule is much much much easier from here on out.
I hope you are right. But I would be more surprised if they do. They are at Miss. St tomorrow. Throw out the Kentucky game (and I think we would all agree this is a FAR different team since that time) LSU has lost their 4 subsequent road games by an average of nearly 21 points per game. MSU, while not having a great season, has been competitive and has won three straight...including wins over (then) No. 11 TCU and an 11 point win Missouri...who led LSU by double-digits for 28 minutes.
LSU then gets A&M at home, who has been terrific in SEC play. After that is three home games LSU very well COULD win...Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt. Georgia and Vandy have been up and down. They have had their share of blowouts. But they have also been consistently more competitive than LSU.
South Carolina is the worst team in the league. If McMahon can't win that one, I don't know if he will ever win another SEC game.
Then LSU is at Ole Miss. They suck too. But I don't trust LSU to be ANYONE on the road. LSU then finishes the season at home vs. Missouri and at Florida. It is likely those two teams will have a LOT to play for in those games while LSU is just looking for the season to mercifully come to an end.
LSU would have to go 4-4 or 5-3 in the final 8 games to get to 5-6 league wins. That seems like a long shot for this team...even with an "easier" schedule.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:52 pm to mmcgrath
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he is responsible for all the violations putting us in this mess.
You sure?
Then why are we dropping Wade, if the football operation is clean. I was told we are trying to protect football, the cash cow.
It as if someone, in addition to Wade, was responsible for other violations that helped "Put us in this mess.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:59 pm to Gus007
quote:I never bought into that. The Lady of the Lake thing was serious, but very old and more of a criminal embezzling thing that a football dad got caught up in, versus something originating from the football program. The rest were pretty minor and self reported.
You sure?
Then why are we dropping Wade, if the football operation is clean. I was told we are trying to protect football, the cash cow.
Wade had a very full list of consistent serious violations over several years. And he never cooperated.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 3:09 pm to mmcgrath
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Why do you guys keep insisting that Arozona was the same?
It's the same in the sense that a new coach was coming into a program under a "cloud of sanctions". Arizona had just fired their HC. The IARP investigation was ongoing. Yet, he was able to vastly exceed preseason expectations. He's having great success this year despite remaining under that "cloud of sanctions" until December when Arizona's case was finally decided.
You may have a better point if LSU fans were pissed McMahon was not having the same degree of success Lloyd has had since taking the job. But they aren't. NO ONE, is or has ever argued LSU should be having the same success Lloyd had in year one at Arizona. Not even close. Ole Miss is 1-9, just like LSU. Yet, when you compare their common losses, Ole Miss is getting beat by an average of 11 ppg. For LSU it's 18 ppg.
There is no excuse for LSU being this bad other than terrible coaching.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 3:29 pm to Alt26
quote:It is NOT REMOTELY the same. When Lloyd started he had NBA talent on the roster. NOT IN THE PORTAL. LITERAL NBA PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER.
It's the same in the sense that a new coach was coming into a program under a "cloud of sanctions". Arizona had just fired their HC. The IARP investigation was ongoing. Yet, he was able to vastly exceed preseason expectations. He's having great success this year despite remaining under that "cloud of sanctions" until December when Arizona's case was finally decided.
quote:You and other posters keep responding with Arizona when people ask for examples of teams that had the same empty roster and sanctions that LSU had when McMahon started. You are the one saying it is "the same". WTF?
You may have a better point if LSU fans were pissed McMahon was not having the same degree of success Lloyd has had since taking the job. But they aren't. NO ONE, is or has ever argued LSU should be having the same success Lloyd had in year one at Arizona. Not even close. Ole Miss is 1-9, just like LSU. Yet, when you compare their common losses, Ole Miss is getting beat by an average of 11 ppg. For LSU it's 18 ppg.
But of course the other examples of actual near empty rosters involve teams without sanctions looming.
You NEVER give an example of a team with an EMPTY ROSTER AND SANCTIONS. Because it doesn't exist. You can't give an example. But you keep trying to make teams with only one of two issues some sort of equivalence.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 4:34 pm to 308
This the rant baw, don't be using logic and shite..
Posted on 2/7/23 at 4:36 pm to mmcgrath
What sanctions did LSU have when CMM started?
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:22 pm to HighRoller
quote:Stop being obtuse. You know what I mean. We are facing sanctions. We haven't received them yet.
What sanctions did LSU have when CMM started?
Posted on 2/7/23 at 6:22 pm to mmcgrath
What was this last class in composite rankings of recruits and transfers? most people thought they had a little talent. No one expected final four. But many believed they could be competitive. This team isn’t. Whether coaching or evals. He hasn’t done a good job this season.
As I’ve mentioned Missouri replaced a coach and roster. They are very competitive this season. So it can be done.
As I’ve mentioned Missouri replaced a coach and roster. They are very competitive this season. So it can be done.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:13 pm to mmcgrath
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I hope the special board goes easy on LSU. I think Wade will get a serious show cause of 5-15 years.
You really tell us a lot about your understanding in this post. The “special board” is essentially an arbitration panel. That panel is bound to follow the NCAA bylaws on what evidence can be used to issue sanctions and other punishments.
Most of what the NCAA put in the NOA against Wade is not supported by information that is usable under the NCAA’s bylaws. In fact, not even the Dawkin’s tape is evidence that can be used to issue a show cause against Wade, or even sanctions against LSU.
You name your price on a bet as to whether Wade gets any show cause whatsoever and I will take it. You clearly have no clue what you were talking about.
There was no allegation that he was paying players directly out of his checking account. The allegation is that payments were made to a third-party “believed to be connected to a player.” There were also allegations that he paid a former players ex girlfriend. The former player had no eligibility left, that is not a violation. Again, the NCAA did it’s best to make the NOA sound as bad as possible, but it was not supported by evidence that can be used to issue sanctions.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:39 pm to Redhead57
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I still see effort in the team and no one wants to win more than they do.
Yeah we stopped losing by 20+, we are only losing by 15+ now.
Stop with this moral win bullshite.
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