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re: Give me the BCS back
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:01 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:01 am to H-Town Tiger
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not for the BCS, USC would have been the national champs and LSU #2
If my aunt had nuts....
The BCS was the system everyone agreed before the season would determine the NC. There was no controversy to people that stick to the rules regardless of the outcome.
The AP was part of the formula. If they had a problem with it they should not have participated. Which of course they pulled out the following year but that has no impact on 2003 results.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:05 am
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:10 am to dsides
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If my aunt had nuts....
this is a stupid response to the point
I was responding to a guy that was complaining that the BCS caused a split title. Its a simple fact that if there was no BCS, like just 7 years earlier, there would have been no split and LSU would have no title. quote:
The BCS was the system everyone agreed before the season would determine the NC
No its not. The AP did not agree. The intention was the pair the #1 and #2 teams. Rather than just take the #1 and #2 teams in the traditional polls, they came up with these complicated formulas on top of computers and the end result was a team that lost its CCG 35-7 remained #1 because they had been running up the score all year. After that debacle, which wasn't the first BTW, they adjust the formula for the better.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:13 am to H-Town Tiger
Exactly. The split was the right outcome. It allowed both LSU and USC to be recognized as champions. It also helped lead to the 4 team playoff.
Can you imagine if Clemson were left out in 2019?
Can you imagine if Clemson were left out in 2019?
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:15 am to dsides
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Exactly. And the AP was just one component of the BCS. Everyone knew the rules and formula going into the season. USC was fine with it until it worked against them. It’s a BS claim.
I disagree, the BCS was technically the old Coaches Poll. The AP agreed to allow their poll to be 1/3 of the formula for the BCS. They never agreed to not award the AP Championship. USC won the AP title. That is a fact. In today's world with the playoff format, the the Final AP ranking will recognize the winner of the Playoff Championship game.
So I have always thought of LSU as the BCS NC and USC as the AP Champs. Of the 2, I think LSU has the better share of the NC for 2003.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:15 am to tigerpawl
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Question: will we ever see a "small school" make the final 4? Can a non-Power 5 team ever make the cut? How?
2016 Houston had a shot. The played and beat Oklahoma, who finished 11-2 and won the Big XII and Louisville who had the Hesiman winner and was ranked #3 at the time at 13-0 they would have been in the discussion
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:23 am to H-Town Tiger
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his is a stupid response to the point
So sensitive.
The BCS was created to end split titles. All conferences and coaches were obligated to designate the winner as the only NC. The AP was part of the formula and as such was on board with its objective and goals.
When it didn’t go USC’s or the AP’s way, they jumped ship. That’s BS.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:23 am to JKChesterton
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I have always thought of LSU as the BCS NC and USC as the AP Champs. Of the 2, I think LSU has the better share of the NC for 2003.
Whether anyone thinks it or not, that's the way it is
I really don't know why LSU fans still get so upset about this. It's no big deal. There have always been split titles, it was 2003, in the 1990's there were 3 years, 1990, 1991 and 1997 with split titles and another year, 1994 with 2 undefeateds.
The claim that everyone agreed is false and people just buying BCS snake oil. If they had just taken the 1 and 2 from the AP, like happened with Miami and Penn State in 86, no one would have cared or had a problem with it.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:24 am to Dr Rosenrosen
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Can you imagine if Clemson were left out in 2019?
Ohio st should have won that game so not sure why that would be so tragic
ETA: you mean last year. My bad
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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Whether anyone thinks it or not, that's the way it is
I really don't know why LSU fans still get so upset about this. It's no big deal. There have always been split titles, it was 2003, in the 1990's there were 3 years, 1990, 1991 and 1997 with split titles and another year, 1994 with 2 undefeateds.
The claim that everyone agreed is false and people just buying BCS snake oil. If they had just taken the 1 and 2 from the AP, like happened with Miami and Penn State in 86, no one would have cared or had a problem with it.
I agree, all these LSU fans who have an issue with it how about the next time you see Coach O ask him if he does not think USC won the AP Title and have a share of the title for 2003.
And I agree, I don't know why "some LSU fans" get upset about it. I have never been on of those LSU fans that got upset about it.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:40 am to H-Town Tiger
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I really don't know why LSU fans still get so upset about this. It's no big deal. There have always been split title
Nobody is upset. If I recall everyone was laughing at Pete Carroll lobbying for a title when the coaches and conferences were contractually obligated to recognize LSU as the NC.
Just pointing out the facts. Not going to impact my life going forward either way.
Happy New Year!
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:41 am to dsides
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So sensitive.
Nah, just saying your analogy made no sense to my point
Its you that's so sensitive about the BCS that you thought i was arguing something else quote:
The BCS was created to end split titles.
No it wasn't, that's just what you want to believe. The BCS was created by the major bowls and conferences in a vain attempt to preserve the bowl system and give us a 1 vs 2 match up every year, rather than having the #1 and 2 teams locked in different bowls and rotating the 1 v 2 game among the 4 major bowls Before the BCS there was the Bowl Alliance that did the same thing only the Rose Bowl/B1G/Pac 10 did not want to end their annual match up. The BA picked the 1 and 2 teams by adding the total points from the 2 major polls. Why they didn't keep doing that when they formed the BCS i will never understand.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:46 am to dsides
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Nobody is upset.
not to be argumentative, but that is plainly false. Many LSU fans hate USC because of that season. Look how defensive many are in this thread. The fact that many, including you say USC "claimed" at National Title indicates that you have at least some grudge about it, they were named by the AP, they didn't claim anything.
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Not going to impact my life going forward either way.
I certainly hope not
but that doesn't mean you or others cant be upset about it, sports upset maybe? I mean i'm still upset about the BS no PI call in the Saints-Rams game last year. It doesn't affect my life day to day however. quote:
Happy New Year!
Same to you and yours
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:48 am to DhanTigers212
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the BCS back
To judge the top 4, sure, I'm in...
But this year proved occasionally, we need 4 in a playoff...other years it's a tune-up for 1 and 2
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:54 am to dsides
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ETA: you mean last year. My bad
No, he means 2019. Last year it would have been Notre Dame.
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Ohio st should have won that game so not sure why that would be so tragic
now this is something where the if my aunt had nuts statement makes more sense
If Clemson was left out and won their bowl game they would 14-0 after going 14-0 and winning the National Title the year before. If you don't think that would be controversial, I really don't know what to say other than a hypothetical that they were outplayed by Ohio State, there fore its no big deal if they were excluded is pretty ridiculous
CFB is the only sport i can think of where you can win all of your games and not be the overall champion. To have a defending champ, that hasn't lost in 2 years excluded, no thanks. 4 teams is the way to go, it avoids that and keeps the regular season importance.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:56 am to DhanTigers212
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Give me the BCS back
Give me the original BCS formula before they changed it, after USC bitch fest, to determine the 4 playoff spots...frick this committee shite...
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:58 am to tiger1014
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Miami of Ohio finished in the top 10 of the 2003 season ap poll?!?
Yep Ben Roethlisberger
Posted on 1/1/20 at 12:18 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:That's kinda iffy, it could have gone either way.
The BCS had LSU #2 going in and awarded us the BCS Championship. The AP awarded their championship to USC. If not for the BCS, USC would have been the national champs and LSU #2. If the BCS had used the later formula instead of duplicate computers and formulas, the match up would have been USC vs LSU and there would be zero controversy.
I think the AP voters were pissy about USC being left out, and made a statement vote.
I do agree that USC should have been in instead of Oklahoma. LSU caught the fallout, due to being the other team involved.
The real problem was how much Oklahoma was built up, which was ultimately marketing. If they had been treated like just another team, getting smoked in their conference championship would have dropped them below 3, and there wouldn't have been a controversy.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 12:18 pm to LSURulzSEC
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Give me the original BCS formula before they changed it, after USC bitch fest, to determine the 4 playoff spots...frick this committee shite...
Oh my
what an awful idea. I have to assume you are so angry about 2003, you are invested in defending the flawed formula that caused that split. If they used the post 2003 formula all along, the matchup would have been LSU vs USC, you really wouldn't have rather seen that? And the committee has the same teams the BCS would have picked anyway. the old BCS formula may well have had Ohio State #1 which i assume is what you would prefer
Posted on 1/1/20 at 12:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
BCS was not a good system. People keep saying "give me the computers" but dont realize those computer algorithms are programmed by men who basically decided what stats they thought meant more for their rankings. It was basically the committee but all the programmers refused to show the world how their systems worked so it was much more secretive that it is now.
You realize the BCS would have kept out Clemson in 2016 in favor of Ohio State. You know the team Clemson bitch slapped 31-0.
You realize the BCS would have kept out Clemson in 2016 in favor of Ohio State. You know the team Clemson bitch slapped 31-0.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:54 pm to mdomingue
I present to you the 2007 New England Patriots.
Perfect season. 16-0, including a win on the road over the New York Giants in week 16. (remember that one.)
They cruised through the playoffs to the Super Bowl.
In the Super Bowl, the Patriots lost their one and only game of the season by giving up a touchdown pass with 35 seconds left in the game.
35 seconds.
Had they simply lost the last game of the season...an irrelevant game, really...and then won the Super Bowl, they'd have been the best team in the history of the league.
Instead, they made the mistake of losing on the wrong Sunday to a team they beat on the road at the end of the season. In the last 35 seconds.
There's no question who the best team in the NFL was that year, and it wasn't the Giants.
Playoffs aren't the end all/be all. The eye test is real.
Perfect season. 16-0, including a win on the road over the New York Giants in week 16. (remember that one.)
They cruised through the playoffs to the Super Bowl.
In the Super Bowl, the Patriots lost their one and only game of the season by giving up a touchdown pass with 35 seconds left in the game.
35 seconds.
Had they simply lost the last game of the season...an irrelevant game, really...and then won the Super Bowl, they'd have been the best team in the history of the league.
Instead, they made the mistake of losing on the wrong Sunday to a team they beat on the road at the end of the season. In the last 35 seconds.
There's no question who the best team in the NFL was that year, and it wasn't the Giants.
Playoffs aren't the end all/be all. The eye test is real.
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