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re: Give credit to coach O..
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I don’t start threads or posts but when I see comments like yours and Ben’s making stupid assertions, I do decide to correct them from time to time
Ok. Explain what post you're talking about
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Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
Okay, buddy. You, justice, gold rush, lunchbox, mo jeaux, Ricky baby daddy, and lunchbox can just keep on rubbing others cocks here. The rest of us will still recognize improvements and successes despite all of the noise you dumb fricks make here on a daily basis.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:48 am to Tiger Voodoo
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He was the defensive line coach. He is absolutely responsible for the lack of All SEC DL that guy was talking about.
FOUR YEARS and the DL is still seen as underachieving.
Sorry, but that is 100% on O
So. When did O come on board?
2015?
Uh, yes
So last season was 2018. It would seem to me that 2015, 2016, should be someone else's players. I think that was Brick that O replaced. Sounds like brick left the cupboard empty.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:50 am to LSU Patrick
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Okay, buddy. You, justice, gold rush, lunchbox, mo jeaux, Ricky baby daddy, and lunchbox can just keep on rubbing others cocks here. The rest of us will still recognize improvements and successes despite all of the noise you dumb fricks make here on a daily basis
That is funny. I don't care who you are.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:56 am to LSU Patrick
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The rest of us will still recognize improvements and successes despite all of the noise you dumb fricks make here on a daily basis.
Has anyone actually tried to say this year was not an improvement from last year? If so, they deserve to be set straight. Otherwise, I'm not sure what or who you're arguing against. Most posts (I admittedly haven't sifted through every page of this thread) I've seen show a relative satisfaction with this year with an understanding that next year needs to be the year we take a BIG step forward considering what we have coming back.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:00 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Most are actually just unconvinced because as has been pointed out, we had 1 conference win over a team with less than 5 losses.
So you're going to shite all over his overall record because of your cherry picked list of worthy opponents?
I got news for you, no one is beating Saban on a regular basis. Bama has lost 3 games in the past 4 years with a roster full of future pros.
The loss to "Jimbo" was a fluke and you know it.
Orgeron is playing a comparable schedule to all the other SEC coaches and is 25-9 since named interim coach. That's a .735 winning percentage which isn't shabby and not far off from Les's overall record. FWIW, Les was .655 in his last 2 + seasons.
Orgeron's record is the 3rd best in the SEC in the past 3 seasons.
Maybe he's not the answer. Your problem is you think LSU is still elite and expected to challenge annually for the CFP. That' not where the program was when O took over. The bar will be raised next year and rightfully so. So let's let it play out.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:02 am to JohnnyU
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So you're going to shite all over his overall record because of your cherry picked list of worthy opponents?
Pretty dramatic, man. I thought it was a fairly objective look at our results since O took over. There's been some good and some not so good. This year was objectively an improvement from last year, and he acknowledged that.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:04 am to lsu2006
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Has anyone actually tried to say this year was not an improvement from last year? If so, they deserve to be set straight. Otherwise, I'm not sure what or who you're arguing against.
You've got one that has said LSU'S wins aren't impressive at all because the opponents overall record wasn't that great. So just ignore that strength of schedule it means nothing.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:06 am to bencoleman
Has anyone actually tried to say this year was not an improvement over last year? That's what I'm wondering.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:06 am to LSU Patrick
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The rest of us will still recognize improvements
Optimism ain't allowed. Don't even start talking about being better next year...
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:06 am to lsu2006
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Pretty dramatic, man.
Not really.
Orgeron has us going in a positive direction after a few years of stagnation and malaise under Miles. Anyone expecting an immediate turnaround was foolish.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:08 am to Topwater Trout
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instead of giving him credit they began with the sec was weak.
Is that inaccurate?
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saying we only beat one non p5 team in the country with less than 5 losses...
Is that inaccurate?
If records are all that matter, why were 2013 and 2015 looked at so differently than 2018?
Context and perspective is important. And the bottom line is while winning more games then we did last year is a good thing obviously, looking at we actually did to get to that number reveals it just wasn’t all that great of an accomplishment.
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they claim we are vastly superior to those teams and it’s inexcusable to lose to them even though they were on the road.
I don’t claim to be vastly superior, but I do think we were better and more talented.
And it’s particular troubling given that Mullen and Jimbo are respected coaches with track records of success and already have their teams in position to beat us in year 1.
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Road games in the SEC are never guaranteed and people who know football realize that.
I’m sure you felt the same in 2013-15 right?
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the new rally cry for them is only one p5 win vs team with less than 5 losses
A factual statement.
Carries a little more weight than the narratives that popped up in the wake of the coaching change about our talent deficiencies when all we had heard about for years was there was too much talent to accept what had become the norm under the previous coach.
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I guess beating a team with a 25 game win streak is crap now.
Crap? Not at all.
But when that team isn’t a P5 team the streak again has to be viewed in context.
And most teams with 25 game win streaks don’t have a defense ranked in the low 80s.
Again, perspective is key.
It was a nice fun win but don’t pretend that was some CFB powerhouse we beat.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:09 am to JohnnyU
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Orgeron has us going in a positive direction
It would appear so, yes. Though I think it's fair to question whether or not we can be a legit CFP contender with the current offensive paradigm. We absolutely have to improve offensively, particularly in the red zone, if we want to take that next, big step.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
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But the loss to Alabama was the worst in 16 years and the gap just continues to widen.
and that gap might continue to widen, not only for LSU, but for every other team in the SEC as well. The way the class in 2020 is shaping up, that might be a class that can start to close the GAP, if we can string together classes like that. The way to get to Bamas level is to recruit and land players like they do. Right now no one in the country is doing that. It just isn't LSU, it is every one. They might get beat here and there, but are going to remain top dog as long as this situation persists. If you think Fisher or Herman or Mullen are going to catch up with them, you are one crazy arse mofo. Georgia is coming closest, but they are a long way from it. If people want to knock Orgeron for this situation, so be it, but it isn't logical.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:13 am to JohnnyU
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Anyone expecting an immediate turnaround was foolish.
Nobody was expecting an immediate turnaround. At this point, the difference is that some posters don't want to accept the improvements because of personal vendettas against the coach and/or they are more interested in being validated than LSU continuing to improve.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:14 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Is that inaccurate?
Absolutely. Probably 6 SEC teams will finish ranked.
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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quote: Is that inaccurate?
Absolutely. Probably 6 SEC teams will finish ranked.
Keep up Rog, the comment about the weak SEC was in reference to 2017
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:18 am to bencoleman
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You've got one that has said LSU'S wins aren't impressive at all because the opponents overall record wasn't that great. So just ignore that strength of schedule it means nothing.
it is funny seeing him babble about how week and unimpressive our schedule was. What a goof ball.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:21 am to Tiger Voodoo
Final rankings aren’t an indicator of what seasons are better than others? I view finishing top 10 better than outside of the top 10 but by all means please show me a season where we finished outside of the top 10 that was better than finishing inside the top 10. Also maybe show me how many seasons in the last 15 where we finished better than our preseason rank.
As for the wins vs p5 teams with less than 5 wins please tell me how that relates to the previous 15 seasons. Maybe Ricky can do the previous 15 seasons to show if this is out of the ordinary...after he cleans his room.
As for the wins vs p5 teams with less than 5 wins please tell me how that relates to the previous 15 seasons. Maybe Ricky can do the previous 15 seasons to show if this is out of the ordinary...after he cleans his room.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:22 am to boxcar willie
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it is funny seeing him babble about how week and unimpressive our schedule was. What a goof ball.
Please list all of the teams we beat and their records. TIA
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