re: Getting a little tired of hearing 8-8 argument

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only people who are older than forty will get that line.

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Not quite 40, but it's actually:

"Jane, you ignorant slut"

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If the improvement continues next year, great. If it's another 4-4 or worse...

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I agree. I stated that 8-8 isn't impressing anybody and can't continue.

My point is that too many people see this:

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Bama: 16-0
UF: 15-1
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Those are only going to get even better.


How do you get better than 16-0???????

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Just a refresher of SEC regular season records over the last 2 years.

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so, we're a middle of the pack SEC team now?

I was the national championship QB in 1908, so what do you think?

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Evidence points to "what we were told" when Miles was hired to be true. Miles would skate on Sabans talent for a few years then fall into mediocrity. Miles will have at least another year to prove this wrong. I pray he does, but I don't have much hope. Right now, LSU isn't UF or Bama. Miles has to build, or rebuild a team that can contend again. Lets see if he can do it. All the apologetics in the world will not help if LSU slides again next year.

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I agree with this, but I would not say we have fallen into mediocrity yet. We are not playing elite ball now ... that's for sure. Mediocre? Our offense is overall worse than mediocre, but still is much more dangerous than the stats lead you to believe.

I am worried though. 2010 is feeling like another proving year, but this time requires delivery. I'm not calling for championships or his head, but I would like to see the team play at an elite level or very close to it.

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O.K. then how about 8-9? Because that's LSU's record over the last 17 SEC games.

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Starting w/the 3-OT loss to Arkansas to end the regular season in 2007, right? How convenient. You count that loss, and purposely omit the 3 LSU SEC victories that preceded the Arky game.

And, after that loss and before LSU lost at Florida in its fifth game (last year), in 2007 LSU went 2-0 in the SECCG (beating Tenn., an SEC East team, I recall) and in the BCS Championship Game (over Ohio State).

Oh yeah, let's also ignore LSU's bowl-game beat-down over GA Tech (after last year's poor 3-5 SEC season and before this year's 5-3 conf. record).

Four straight Bowl blowout wins in as many years and another one Jan. 1, conference championship games, national championship games, who cares? All that matters is LSU's record in regular-season SEC games, provided you can wrap and spin them to your liking.

How about just this: Since Miles became head coach in 2005, LSU's TOTAL SEC record is 27-13, 28-14 counting their two SECCGs.

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Getting a little tired of hearing 8-8 argument

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Some of us are getting a little tired of BEING 8-8 over the past two years.

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Miles has apparently only been the coach of LSU for 2 years.

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But the further removed we are from his predecessor, the more he becomes responsible for the performance.

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8-8 is nothing to get excited about and can't continue,

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Right, and wrong. It is nothing to get excited about, but it can, and likely will, continue...if we're lucky and it doesn't get worse.

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Miles has coached at LSU for 5 years, not 2

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And where have we gone in that time? Down.

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I know it's the most recent 2, but doesn't 2010 show us where the trend is?

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So, if it's another shitty season next year, won't you be tired of people using the last three years of his six-year tenure?

The simple reality is that a coach's early years are less his responsibility than his later ones. How you do at first depends a lot on what you're left with. That's why a great coach can go 8-4, 10-3 and 8-5 in his first three years (following a streak of 8 losing seasons in 11 years), and a shitty one can go 11-2, 11-2 and 12-2 in his first three years (following a 5-year building program that produced two SEC titles and a national title).

A coach's quality is measured by where the program was when he started and where it went under his control. If it started bad and got good, then he's good. If it started good and got bad, he's bad. If it started good and stayed good, he's probably good. If it started bad and stayed bad, he's probably bad.

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Who would rather be a fan of Auburn, Georgia, or Tennessee, right now?

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I wouldn't want to change allegiances, but I guarantee all three of these will have better SEC records than LSU will over the rest of Miles' tenure.