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re: From CJJ presser, "If Jones or Herring are top 50 picks I will tell them to go pro"
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:16 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:16 pm to Choupique19
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Jay also said, while LSU was sitting at 3-12 in the SEC, that LSU would be in first place in any other conference in the country.
Well I guess he was proven wrong by two outs
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:24 pm to Broski
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This is a dumb thing to be pissed at. If you have pro aspirations, what's wrong with seeing what else is out there, especially in the case of Kling who has been here for two years. Sometimes guys need a change of scenery.
People, as always, are over exaggerating the frustration/pissed about that whole situation. He is a smart coach and knows that kind of stuff will happen when the exit meeting are so close to the end of the season. Those kids are still dealing with the season being over at that time. They have more time to think about their situation for a little bit after that. I don't feel it needs to be blown out of proportion like it is.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:26 pm to Choupique19
Outside of the ACC what conference do you think LSU doesn't win
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:28 pm to Broski
You missed the context of what he meant about those 3 players. He said, several times, that he was "OK" with them exploring their options. What he seemed to be....pissed isn't the word I'd use...saying is they told him one thing face to face & then the next day they called him & told him they were leaving. He went out of his way to say he understands where college players are in today's transfer world. A guess as to who ....???
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:33 pm to Choupique19
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Choupique19
how can you even call yourself an LSU fan? I get being frustrated but good lord
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:33 pm to ramchallenge
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I watched the interview... JJ seemed a bit down and uninspired the entire time. He did not seem upbeat about anything. Something seemed out of whack...
A question for you. Have you watched other CJJ interviews this year? I'm not trying to disagree with you but I have watched almost every post game and other interview that got posted.
I think CJJ has been very similar in most of them but this is a stressful time in the season when you have to rebuild your roster.
This year was tough on Jay it seems reading between the lines. I'm not sure what made this team difficult to manage compared to others but it seems like it was a difficult year but he is proud of the team and how they battled till the end.
Even the UK coach, who is friends with CJJ, once alluded to how hard this year was for Jay. The UK coach mentioned some things that had gone on behind the scenes and how he was proud of Jay overcoming it. I'm not making it up it was mentioned by the UK coach the during SEC tourney interviews.
I have no idea what may have happened behind the scenes but his friend from UK did and it seems getting the team back together and competing at a high level was a tough job.
Overall, I think CJJ is upset about some things happening like the 3 guys changing their mind, but I found this interview to be positive about a lot of things.
Imo, CJJ is very proud of the amount of players he has put into MLB. CJJ seemed very upbeat about the Juco guys coming in. He seemed upbeat about the high school players he has committed. And he spoke in very positive terms about hopefully getting some of the draft eligible guys back.
I thought it was telling that CJJ mentioned multiple times that he needs 11 position players and 8 pitchers to be fully bought into LSU and what he is trying to do to make it back to Omaha. He is really disappointed they didn't make it back to Omaha.
I think we can all read between the lines how frustrated he is at the current state of NCAA baseball because he mentioned several times that he was looking for guys that the #1 thing in life was baseball and he needed guys fully willing to commit to LSU baseball.
I'm taking a wild guess based on his comments, but I'm thinking CJJ didn't feel all his players were bought into the team this year. Maybe he thought he had players who were in it for selfish reasons vs fully buying into the team.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:57 pm to Broski
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This is a dumb thing to be pissed at. If you have pro aspirations, what's wrong with seeing what else is out there, especially in the case of Kling who has been here for two years. Sometimes guys need a change of scenery.
It doesn't mean they hate the school or the coach, and it doesn't even necessarily mean that they don't return. It's smart to explore all of your options when you only have a finite amount of time to play the game.
Your correct about this. I'm making assumptions he was pissed based on his comments but he did say he is trying to learn to be ok with stuff like this. And then later on he mentioned the three again and circled back to the topic. He wouldn't have brought it up two times in the presser if he wasn't upset about it.
So far 4 have entered the portal:
Kling
Cam Johnson
Moffit
and Dutton
Jay said 3 of them told him they were staying only to change their mind. We can't be certain Kling was one. Maybe Kling was already on the way out.
If I were CJJ I would be more upset about losing the two young pitchers that you did give opportunities to but obviously need more development time. As a coach I'd be mad if I knew I could develop them given more time but instead of committing to that process they bail on you instead.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:04 pm to BayTiger13
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I don't feel it needs to be blown out of proportion like it is.
Maybe pissed is the wrong word for me to use because I don't know his true feelings on it. Obviously Jay is way smart enough to know these things will happen and he has been on the other end and benefited from players changing their mind.
Reading between the lines, he talked about the subject during the press conference once and then he circled back to the same topic a few other times. If being told face to face they were staying and then that changing, didn't have an impact on him, he wouldn't have brought it up multiple times at todays press conference.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:06 pm to Rising
Could...color me doubtful.. as in very, very
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:10 pm to PoppaD
This is really smart coach speak.
It is pretty unlikely that either of them will be top 50 picks, at the same time by telling them this you are insinuating that they are talented enough to be top 50 picks.
So while to them it sounds like you are supporting their decision if they go pro and looking out for their best interests, what you are actually doing is planting the seed that they should stay and improve their draft stock because they likely won’t be top 50 picks
Next he should tell Tommy Tanks that if he’s picked #1 he should go
It is pretty unlikely that either of them will be top 50 picks, at the same time by telling them this you are insinuating that they are talented enough to be top 50 picks.
So while to them it sounds like you are supporting their decision if they go pro and looking out for their best interests, what you are actually doing is planting the seed that they should stay and improve their draft stock because they likely won’t be top 50 picks
Next he should tell Tommy Tanks that if he’s picked #1 he should go
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:12 pm to skullhawk
Or he is pissed that nil was given to these players with no return on investment
A lot of teams will be in this same boat
A lot of teams will be in this same boat
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:26 pm to PoppaD
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Overall, I think CJJ is very pissed about some things happening like the 3 guys lying to him
He may be pissed at that, but I without having been in those meetings, I wouldn't characterize it as "lying to him." I've been in a couple of exit meetings. I was nowhere as talented as the guys Jay is referring to nor was I at a school that was on LSU's level (it was a G5). And I was redshirt freshman PWO, so my coach had no reason to blow smoke up my arse. 1st one was after the fall. He said, "Your best tool is your arm (I played 3rd)--you have a major league arm, and that's probably the main reason you're still on this team. Your speed is average--it's not gonna keep you off the field, but it's not gonna put you on it. You could get a little better with the glove. But if you want to play here, you've got to improve your hitting. Hitting coach says you have some of the best bat speed on the team, but you're having a hard time adjusting to college pitching. You're not striking out, but you're not barreling balls up. And you need to add some power if you want to play a corner IF position on this team in this park."
Basically told me I was welcomed back if I wanted, but he wasn't gonna suck my dick to get me to come back. But he wanted an answer while we were there in his office. I know Jay isn't a big guy, but he's got more skins on the wall than my coach did, but my coach was 6'6'" and I was a 19-year-old redshirt freshman. And he wanted an answer. It was more than a little intimidating. So I said, "hell yeah, coach, I'll work on all this and come back in the spring ready to go." So I went to work. But what he was really saying was "if you hang in there and improve, you may get a chance to play your Jr. or Sr. year." But I accepted the challenge to get on the field earlier--I loved playing baseball and had no desire to ride the pine for 3 years while we finished 4th in the WAC. I wanted to play.
So I busted my arse to get stronger, took some "supplements," tore both my labrums, and I was done. But I had no real professional aspirations--I just wanted to play baseball. And I was intimidated in that exit interview to tell the coach what he wanted to hear. But that was in the mid-late 90s. If that had been 2024, and I'd have gotten home and talked to my parents and explored different options available to players today, I can definitely see having a change of opinion.
So basically, I don't think it's fair to characterize those guys as "lying to his face." There's a lot of pressure to tell you HC what he wants to hear in that moment. But after you get home, take a breath, talk to your family, consider all your options, I don't think it's crazy, unethical, immoral, chicken-shite--whatever you want to call it to have a change of heart/mind. Especially for guys who have professional aspirations unlike me. But even so, like I said in a previous thread, sometimes baseball players want to actually play baseball, not just practice it. Careers are short. Playing baseball is fun. Being a role player is not for everybody.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:36 pm to ProjectP2294
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He's a R/R first baseman. He doesn't have any stock. He can't improve his draft stock. He can improve the likelihood of success once he gets to the minor leagues though.
For some guys, the draft apparatus just doesn't place a ton of value on you. R/R 1B is the lowest category of player. But once he's actually in the minor leagues, all bets are off. The way things go for most players, by staying around another year at LSU he's at the very least guaranteeing and extra year of baseball in his career.
But he can improve things that will help him down the road and make it more likely that he sticks around in the minor leagues and hopefully one day in the majors.
This is a really good post, and a very articulate way to put it. Bear could have left after last year (if it were possible) and not have had a very long professional career--he wasn't ready, and they'd have given up on him sooner. If he could take how he was hitting in the regional this year and taken it to the minors, he would have had more rope and been set up for more success in the minors. If he can have a similar season next year or even slightly improve, he'll have even more rope, because he'll be more prepared for success in minor league ball. But there's not much he can do to actually increase his draft stock. He's gonna be taken where he's taken based on his profile.
But you're absolutely right that he'll be more prepared and have more rope once he gets there. And guarantee himself at least another year of playing baseball. And while there might not be much he can do to increase his "draft stock," there's also not much he can do to decrease it either, barring injury. I can't see a big regression--if one at all--if he continues the approach he showed in the regional. And he might actually have some protection next year--he had almost zero this year--so his numbers should be similar if not better. I think a lot of people underestimate that he's hit over .300 in both his seasons at LSU, despite his trouble with his K rate and being able to recognize and lay off off-speed pitches last year and the beginning of this year. I hope he comes back--would be big for next year's lineup and overall team, but it really depends on what he values. We'll see.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:55 pm to Hot Carl
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So basically, I don't think it's fair to characterize those guys as "lying to his face." There's a lot of pressure to tell you HC what he wants to hear in that moment. But after you get home, take a breath, talk to your family, consider all your options, I don't think it's crazy, unethical, immoral, chicken-shite--whatever you want to call it to have a change of heart/mind.
I agree with what your saying and I changed my wording. CJJ never said he was pissed or lied to but he brought up the topic several times so I assumed he was.
But in todays world of LSU baseball would a player getting NIL money change your perspective on this?
Lets assume, 2 of the 3 players he was talking about were Moffit and Cam Johnson. Two really good arms but both obviously need a good bit more development time to get near their potential.
Then lets also assume, CJJ likely had to go to someone with money willing to pay those guys to come to campus or get them to stay on campus.
As a coach, would it upset you that those players choose to leave, therefore wasting your monetary investment in them rather then recommit to doing the things needed to get better?
If I were a coach, that had a long track record of developing MLB talent, I would be mad that I invested money and time into them for them to turn around and leave before there was a return on that. Then I would get even more mad if they told me they were staying only to leave the following week.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:13 pm to PoppaD
I hope Herring returns. He will definitely be one of LSU's greatest. I just love that kid. We need his fire to light up this team. As a weekend starter, he will be the leader we lacked this year.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:15 pm to PoppaD
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As a coach, would it upset you that those players choose to leave, therefore wasting your monetary investment in them rather then recommit to doing the things needed to get better?
Monetary investment, no. That will just go to somebody else. And I double they got a whole lot anyway. And I'd be "disappointed" that they didn't recommit, but not "mad."
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Then lets also assume, CJJ likely had to go to someone with money willing to pay those guys to come to campus or get them to stay on campus.
Well, they didn't stay, so that money is still available.
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If I were a coach, that had a long track record of developing MLB talent, I would be mad that I invested money and time into them for them to turn around and leave before there was a return on that. Then I would get even more mad if they told me they were staying only to leave the following week.
We agree more here. But not on the money resources, on the time and man-power and wisdom and love resources that were poured into them. But I still don't think "mad" is the word I'd use. This is the world we live in now. We may not like it. But Jay has no problem cutting bait with guys he thinks won't help him or LSU. They are not good uses of the resources he--and LSU--can provide, relative to winning championships, which is his ultimate goal. He can't be mad if some guys take a few extra days to realize what Jay thinks is best or him and LSU might not be what they think is best for them. They have different end games, different goals. Of course he hates it. Of course I would hate it. As would you. But what good does that do. This is where we are. Adapt or die.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:16 pm to PoppaD
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players looking him in his eyes and saying they would return
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3 may have burned their bridge
And well they should. If they are in it just for $ or are or too big of pusses to tell him the truth, they're not someone I want anyway
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:24 pm to PoppaD
Savvy way for Jay to word it. He knows good and well neither are likely to be drafted in the Top 50. 
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:27 pm to Choupique19
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Jay also said Paxton Kling could become a player like Dylan Crews. Jay also said, while LSU was sitting at 3-12 in the SEC, that LSU would be in first place in any other conference in the country. Let’s tone down the hyperbole, please
He was talking to Kling not you and I
ETA: after reading all your posts in this thread, eat a dick. You are the type of person who roots for LSU to fail so you ca bump your posts
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:31 pm to jrobic4
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And well they should.
Meh
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If they are in it just for $
Who do you think in the portal is just doing it for money? And how much do you think they are actually getting? Like I said, baseball players like to play baseball. And that's the best--maybe only--way to get significantly better.
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or are or too big of pusses to tell him the truth,
They may have told him the truth in the moment. I'm quite sure they all did. They're 18 or 19 years old in a 1-on-1 meeting with a grown man who has a NC trophy on the shelf behind him. You've never taken more time to think things through, discuss with family and friends, and realize there may be a better decision for you? You think all these guys knew they were leaving and just lied to Jay's face because they were chicken shite to tell him the truth? That makes more sense to you? Maybe I'm naive, but I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.
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they're not someone I want anyway
I bet you're not a boss. You're a fan. And probably not someone I'd want anyway either.
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