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re: Freeman "vs." BK Isn't the Correct Conversation
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:31 am to MarkGolf
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:31 am to MarkGolf
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Clemson in 2016. Lost to a mediocre Pitt. And Northern Illinois win 8 games this year so they weren't exactly crap.
8 win ACC team > 8 win MAC team.
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Again, caveat all you want. No one else is besides a few deluded LSU fans who are jealous Freeman did what BK couldn't.
They both took a team to the national championship in their third season at Notre Dame.
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:11 am to BigBrod81
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You just described Les Miles & Coach O & Kelly is a better coach than the both of them.
Miles and O have a championship trophy, Kelly can look at Google images of a championship trophy like the rest of us
Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:11 am to BigBrod81
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You just described Les Miles & Coach O & Kelly is a better coach than the both of them.
You can tell by Kelly's championship ring.....
5 downvotes and no one wanting to offer up a rebuttal. classic TD. Miles was infinitely better at running a program that Kelly.
And as much as I think O is moron that got lucky, he still but the right coordinators in place to allow 2019 to happen. Kelly may be a better coach than O, but he needs to actually win something before you get to claim that
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:34 am to IrishDave
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IrishDave
quote:Pathetic
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:39 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:There's a reason they don't answer you when you hit them with facts.
SidewalkTiger
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:13 am to IrishDave
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to beat 4 top 10 teams in row will put anyone near the top of the list of great champions.
Save your breath, IrishDave; they don't want to hear in-context facts. I started this thread because a lot of people were coming on to this board and wanted to diminish what Notre Dame accomplished this year with all sorts of excuses. If LSU wins everything next year I will be among the first to come on here and congratulate LSU and Brian Kelly for a great accomplishment.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:28 am to MarkGolf
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I'll revisit this board after next season and I guarantee I'll still be reading the same exact complaints about BK I see here ... which were the exact same complaints ND fans had about him.
What don’t you understand about let the BK thing go? ND fans are giving as much attention to the BK/Freeman comparisons as they are the actual games. It’s pathetic. BK made the decision to come to LSU because it is in fact a better opportunity to win championships and acquire better players. ND refused to spend money until he left. Only dense Irish fans seem to disagree. This isn’t 1973 anymore. Freeman’s run this year has been impressive but also not something that most expect will happen again. Enjoy it before Monday’s arse beating.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:35 am to MarkGolf
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I started this thread because a lot of people were coming on to this board and wanted to diminish what Notre Dame accomplished this year with all sorts of excuses.
There's a difference between "diminishing accomplishments with excuses" and stating facts.
I, for one, don't understand this narrative that Freeman is doing something that Kelly didn't or that the program is far better than they were, not saying you said this, just speaking in general.
Looking at the situation, I feel there are several things that are true:
1. Kelly had reached his ceiling at Notre Dame, a coach's message usually stops resonating after 10 years or so
2. Notre Dame is investing more in their program now, than they were under BK
3. Freeman has faced a much easier CFP path than Kelly did, if we were operating under the old system, Notre Dame would be at home right now because of their G5 loss
4. Freeman inherited a good situation, but he has also done a very good job maintaining and building, especially for a first-time head coach. He is recruiting marginally better than BK was there. Some of that is due to NIL, some of that is due to he and his staff. He has hired two good coordinators after some initial struggles on the offensive side of the ball.
Is any of that unfair?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:49 am to MarkGolf
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You mean the same schedule where ND went 2-0 against A&M and USC and you went 0-2? And also beat your SEC champs?
Thanks for proving you are a dumbass. A conference schedule is a minimum of 8 games and sometimes you have back to back road games or back to back ranked opponents. ND played 9 HOME games and 1 road game against a ranked team. They never had back to back difficult games or road games. Your schedule is a JOKE!!!!!
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:52 am to MarkGolf
Don't ya think we should wait to see what happens after the NC game is played. Seems like everyone is crowning Freeman as the best. BK built a program as did Nick Saban here. Building a program sustains winning. Kelly did not arrive with a stacked team and the NIL tsunami had just disrupted everything.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:11 am to MarkGolf
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Oh, and in researching your allegation Notre Dame "lowered" its academic requirements, according to Sports Illustrated this is 100% false. BK kept saying Notre Dame had to "shop down a different aisle." Freeman said bullcrap to that and is convincing top recruits to embrace the difficulty of being a student athlete at Notre Dame.
Funniest post ITT
Nice troll work OP
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:13 am to MarkGolf
Not gonna read all the pages of responses here. And you are somewhat right on most points, but it's really not a comparison imo. The big difference to me between ND with BK and ND with MF is NIL. I think ND now has a chance at actually pulling good players and retaining them. Combine that with a fairly weak schedule, and you guys are basically guaranteed a playoff spot every year. Less wear and tear on the players. No conf champ game. No need to intensely scheme every week and waste great play calling in the regular szn. All of these things combine to an enormous advantage.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:49 am to MikeTheTiger71
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When did Kelly play a playoff game against someone other than Alabama and Clemson programs that dominated that era?
Opponent has absolutely nothing to do with my reply. He asked what has Freeman done that BK didn't and I simply stated what he has done. I'm not trying to argue that the teams Freeman beat were better than the teams BK lost to.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 3:40 pm to GeauxLSU4
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it is in fact a better opportunity to win championships
Yet ND is playing for a championship in a few days
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acquire better players
How much better does Kelly need?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:39 pm to SidewalkTiger
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1. Kelly had reached his ceiling at Notre Dame, a coach's message usually stops resonating after 10 years or so
2. Notre Dame is investing more in their program now, than they were under BK
3. Freeman has faced a much easier CFP path than Kelly did, if we were operating under the old system, Notre Dame would be at home right now because of their G5 loss
I don't understand point #1 because the players in year 10 aren't the same as in year 1 or even year 5.
Look, here's why we were frustrated with Kelly. Sure, he improved the program but you can only take so many never-wins-the-biggest-games and losing-to-or-barely-sqeaking-by-crap-teams-even-though-we-have-far-superior-talent before you realize he just didn't have it.
He was a very, very lazy recruiter, as recruits themselves said. Maybe he's changed his ways at LSU. He played safe and not to lose. He was uninspiring to play for. Having said that, he was great at evaluating 3-stars who should have been rated higher and developing individual player skills. But when it came to winning big games, he just couldn't find a way to even stay competitive despite having lots of 4-stars.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:42 pm to XbengalTiger
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They never had back to back difficult games or road games. Your schedule is a JOKE!!!!!
Just finished winning back to back to back against three top 10 teams with a combined regular season record of 34-4.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:48 pm to MarkGolf
The top teams have come down to notre dame. Notre dame hasn’t gone up
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:06 pm to MarkGolf
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Just finished winning back to back to back against three top 10 teams with a combined regular season record of 34-4.
32-4
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:07 pm to MarkGolf
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Look, here's why we were frustrated with Kelly. Sure, he improved the program but you can only take so many never-wins-the-biggest-games and losing-to-or-barely-sqeaking-by-crap-teams-even-though-we-have-far-superior-talent before you realize he just didn't have it.
You lost to a G5 this year...
I'm not seeing this massive difference? Were you not the favorite in every game you've played this year?
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:23 pm to MarkGolf
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MarkGolf
You ND fans should be licking BK's arse for digging you out of the gutter and handing Freeman a program already rounding 3rd base.
Gratitude does not exist for some and that's especially true for ND fans.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 5:28 pm
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