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re: Free Enterprise has entered College athletics
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:39 pm to extremetigerfanatic
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:39 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:They will after the House case is finalized.
So make them sign a contract.
ETA: "Making" someone sign a contract is also not free enterprise, anyway.
This post was edited on 12/8/24 at 7:40 pm
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Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:49 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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I agree.
So make them sign a contract.
Otherwise it’s just a fancy word for a bribe.
Now that I cannot argue against.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:52 pm to biggdogg
And the 2% get millions and millions,,,,,,,before they even play one down.
Clown world!
Clown world!
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:54 pm to prepsportsallday
You know these are public institutions, correct?
in this scenario
quote:Who is:
The term free enterprise refers to an economy where the market determines prices, products, and services rather than the government.
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the market
in this scenario
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:11 pm to Roaad
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You know these are public institutions, correct?
Not all are public, and there is significant mixture of both. But an athletes ability to be compensated by private businesses, cooperatives, etc. Is his is a right which does (should) belong to the athlete. Not the institutions, and not the NCAA. BUT DAMN GOOD QUESTION!!
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Who is:
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the market
Another great question. Private individuals and entities who desire to pay the athlete for the use of his/her name image or likeness.
Side note:
It's the same for coaches. A very small portion of BKs salary comes from the state. The remainder comes boosters. He can negotiate with other schools, be bought out ect. It's all contractural.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:15 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Shooting a gun vs ramming into grown men 10+ yrs your age day in and day out. Yea those are comparable. There’s a reason football players wear way more protective equipment than the Military
You see the rational though. A 17 year old being shot at vs being rammed into by a 27 yr old. Not all 17 yr old are created equal. Some are more developed than some 27 yr old ball players. So for the 17 yr old that is not developed enough, go to college. For those that are, let them join a practice squad are a D-League.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:24 pm to Howyouluhdat
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bizarre that you care so much about them getting paid
I find it more bizarre that a "fan" doesn't want them to get paid.
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shouldn’t bother a logical fan one bit.
Likewise it shouldnt bother a fan that the ARE getting paid. My post is directed to fans that have a problem with athletes being paid.
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What it does do is take away the passion, competitiveness, discipline, camaraderie etc from the game.
What evidence do you have of this? Athletes having getting paid for their services for centuries. Paying them gives even more incentive.
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As does the portal
Guys get 5 yrs to play 4. Not everyone finds the right fit. May revamping the portal would be good. But I'm not for the athlete forfeiting eligibility just because he changed schools.
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As does the portal. frick them both
We fans have grown a little spoiled. Athletes have been fighting for this stuff for a while. Let's sit back and see how it plays out.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:27 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Agree. However the current state of CFB with NIL and the TP is unsustainable which is a revenue killer in the long run. Something has got to come out that will stabilize the rosters
You may be right about sustainability. I think it will get figured out. I will say, I've enjoyed CFB a lot this year. No true dominant team. Parity. But perhaps I'm more a fan of the game than any particular team.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:30 pm to prepsportsallday
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98% of these kids can’t start in college straight out of high school but u want them to go to nfl.just Stupid
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1. Same is true for baseball. 98% of HS baseball players can't start in MLB, yet baseball players are not restricted from going pro out of HS.
because MLB chooses to finance a farm system that develops these players for their teams' future use.
the NFL has no such league that they subsidize..
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:32 pm to prepsportsallday
The problem is that the regulatory bodies involved are distorting the market by pretending this isn’t pay for play thus preventing reasonable contractual obligations from being placed upon players to lock them into longer term commitments as you would see in professional sports.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:24 pm to Gravitiger
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But over half those guys will be busts before they can ever contribute, based on college hit rates. And based on MLB, most would get traded to a different system before they made the NFL team.
Remember, not every player is deserving of NIL. Some are entitled to more, others less. Not every guy is willing on ready to go pro. For those that are able, they should have the right to do so.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:26 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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The problem is that the regulatory bodies involved are distorting the market by pretending this isn’t pay for play thus preventing reasonable contractual obligations from being placed upon players to lock them into longer term commitments as you would see in professional sports.
Definitely an interest perspective. I will say that the compensation for true use of a person's name image and likeness belongs to the athlete alone.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:27 pm to Nutriaitch
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because MLB chooses to finance a farm system that develops these players for their teams' future use.
the NFL has no such league that they subsidize..
Standby... it could be coming
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:38 pm to prepsportsallday
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Definitely an interest perspective. I will say that the compensation for true use of a person's name image and likeness belongs to the athlete alone.
I agree with that perspective, but the near impossibility of separating out true NIL from pay for play was the reason for regulations against NIL in the first place. The NCAA should have admitted defeat on that front when forced by the courts to allow NIL and stopped pretending that it wouldn’t morph into pay for play as they had always said it would to justify not allowing it in the first place,
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:40 pm to prepsportsallday
"Free Enterprise". What a hoot. The money supply is 100% controlled by a band of criminals, but somehow the economy is "free".
Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:50 pm to prepsportsallday
The market is the consumer, don't overthink it.
And the end consumer of football, not liking NIL, losing interest in the sport, stops buying tickets, stops watching on television, and not buying merch.. . .would all be the market reacting to the product.
That hypothetical would also be a strong market force that would end in the elimination of NIL
And the end consumer of football, not liking NIL, losing interest in the sport, stops buying tickets, stops watching on television, and not buying merch.. . .would all be the market reacting to the product.
That hypothetical would also be a strong market force that would end in the elimination of NIL
Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:59 pm to prepsportsallday
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Free Enterprise has entered College athletics
Free enterprise would involve the ability to sign players to contracts.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:12 pm to prepsportsallday
I need to find a new hobby. College football has completely jumped the shark.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:31 pm to prepsportsallday
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Its called NIL! Its not going anywhere.
The concept might be foreign to some here. So...
Hey Einstein,
Free Enterprise fails when the market is loaded with hot air...
(I'm worth this Amount , but in Reality your not worth more than a guess)
And the Only Players fit that Tag are 1st rounds Draft picks in Professional Drafts.
The Schools Need Rules that govern the NIL, Recruiting and Rosters sizes of teams. They must say to all wanting to play sports under THERE UMBRELLA... as follows
These are to rules that makeup College Football, if you don't want to play under those rules , Its A Free Enterprises World... go find your calling in another line of work or go straight to the NFL
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:11 pm to prepsportsallday
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A 17 year old being shot at vs being rammed into by a 27 yr old.
It’s a meaningless game vs fighting for freedom? Who wants to voluntarily die in a meaningless game?
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Not all 17 yr old are created equal. Some are more developed than some 27 yr old
Who? What High School player is more developed than his 27yr old counterpart in the NFL? If there is one then they are the exception
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For those that are, let them join a practice squad are a D-League.
You realize there are high caliber athletes playing on practice squads and that get cut from teams? What happens when they go to the NFL “minor leagues” too trying to get a shot? These could be grown men that have been trying for years like baseball. These high school kids would get demolished
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