re: Frank’s had 216 yards on 4 completions.

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If Cox doesn’t pick that ball off, it’s another

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If, if, if.

On the other hand if the Arky WR's drop those deep balls L S U wins in blow out.

Anybody can play stupid word games

How is there never any safety help up top? This is not a player issue the calls from Pelini are leaving guys totally helpless on deep balls. When there is no safety back there the QB can lead the WR to any open space on the field forcing a corner to cover 50 yards of area which is what we saw yesterday. Pelini continues to be an embarrassment.

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How is there never any safety help up top? This is not a player issue the calls from Pelini are leaving guys totally helpless on deep balls. When there is no safety back there the QB can lead the WR to any open space on the field forcing a corner to cover 50 yards of area which is what we saw yesterday. Pelini continues to be an embarrassment.

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Sometimes, definitely not all, it is defined by the rotations in the pattern zone coverage.

A pattern zone requires that if someone goes deep out of the back of that particular zone, then the coverage stays with him (man-man). So as that person bails on the zone, the S often rotates up to backfill.

That's because if you didn't rotate up (leverage to that zone with S) opponents could run clear outs on you all day and come behind the receiver going deep (out of back of zone) with a second receiver.

On a clearout like that, just the idea of a S coming hard up is enough to scare a QB. Many will just prefer to take the deep shot on the 1-on-1.

That's why with miscommunications we've seen a CB, a Nickel, and a S all too shallow with a deep runner all alone. S recognized the deep move, rotates up, CB didn't stick with the guy and maintained zone, and nickel was still chasing the trailer just in case QB wanted him on progression if deep was covered.

Ok so when it happens once you get away from that coverage, when it happens 4 times your DC is a moron and refuses to adjust or doesn’t know how to.

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Another way to look at this is for all those Ensminger haters who want Kendall Briles... Briles had a senior QB who has probably 20-30 starts and all his weapons except RAkim Boyd and he only scored 24 pts on this LSU Defense at home. Let that sink in.

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I’ve been a fan of Briles for a while, but he was terrible yesterday. They had one major advantage and he refused to stick with it. The running and dink and dunk passing never worked, yet he just kept going with it, even after Stingley went out. He was awful. If I were a piggy fan, I would be calling him out today.

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Like you said your DBs have to know theur exact rotation responsibilities but if they’re being fooled after 1 or 2 big plays you’ve gotta get out of it and go with something more simple, man 2 or man 1 with a true center fielder out there. We never did that and we seldom adjust after giving up big plays but again Pelini hasn’t had a good D since 2010 so I’m not sure there’s any hope for improvement on the backend.

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Well, there is a play for D. Even in something more simple, players still have to know assignments.

Our offense last year made a living on identifying where the D was applying leverage and attacking where they took that leverage from to apply it.

So if you go to something more simple, say man-man and your FS is roaming, a Cover 1 then that safety isn't available for help elsewhere. The iterations might as well be infinite.

So where does simplification actually hurt us vs. coaching guys up and running this particular scheme?
- this zone is SUPPOSED to offer more help in the short to intermediate routes by being zone until someone goes outside the back of it. But the underneath guys don't hand off worth a shite either and are susceptible to chasing and creating clearouts.

- It is actually easier to disguise blitzs and confuse QBs (pre-snap) with a zone. Man to man it is easier to pick matchups and move defenders around (with motions usually).

- you can vary the zones, sometimes greatly sometimes slightly, to confuse the QB. For example, S starts at same point 3 plays in a row but covers 3 different zones post-snap all the while others rotate into his old zone. That way QB can't really KNOW where the S is going. Of course, you can do this with man-man and your safety also. But in a Tampa or Cover 2 everybody is in a new spot on particular play.

- any zone is supposed to be better for run support. There's a whole long list of reasons why it isn't working. But the zone SHOULD be helping.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that if they can't get it right Bo needs to simplify with a man-man. But above are the reasons why you would keep punching at it trying to get it to work instead of that.

And I sort of, as much as I hate to admit it, see why they wouldn't. Coaches went into this year without high hopes. Even told recruits that; so they are playing with house money and want to gain the experience with the pattern matching zone no matter the losses.

But my issue is that it obviously isn't being taught. Or not taught fast enough. Embarassing yourself, turning the fanbase against you, and losing games by giving them away is a high price to pay for OJT when these are mistakes that shouldn't be happening to a team. Some mistakes happen, some happen and disappear over time with experience... many of these mistakes just shouldn't be happening AND they are mistakes that break the whole scheme down. We're not talking giving up too many yds per play. We're talking mistakes that give up too many TDs a quarter.

Right but that’s a general assessment of different defensive responsibility. I’m talking about what was killing us in particular yesterday. Even if you’re playing zone you can assign a top safety to play as deep as the deepest route in centerfield to cover over top. No reason he couldn’t grab a safety and say nothing behind you. What’s worse is out 1 and 2 corners gave up nothing so you had 5 co wrong 3 and still getting burned on deep balls.

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If Cox doesn’t pick that ball off, it’s another TD. Receiver was wide arse open

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Obviously he wasn’t wide arse open considering Cox was parked directly in his passing lane