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re: For those who believe in O, would you feel the same if it were Chizik?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:53 pm to SportTiger1
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:53 pm to SportTiger1
Some individuals on this board honestly cannot grasp that concept.
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Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:55 pm to SportTiger1
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You realize this, right?
Answer me this: Will Orgeron and Alleva be gone if LSU goes 10-3 or 9-4 over the next two seasons?
What is the quickest way for their dismissal?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:57 pm to boxcar willie
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If O is Chizik then Burrow is Cam. Stud is Ensminger. It's really happening
I like the way you think. If we are going to have fantasy then I go with this one and seems more worthy and likely than the OP's fantasy of chizeks as coach. .
I'm actually convinced that Burrow very well could have a Cam like effect on LSU. I've been as excited as anyone since he signed. He SHOULD be the piece at QB that we've been missing for the better part of a decade
But what does it mean if he doesn't take us on an undefeated NC run? Chizik took his QB signing and ran the table. Can O do the same, or will it be just one more clear instance where O isn't even capable of doing the things that a coach like Chizik did?
And even if we do go on a run with Burrow, does that mean that things could just as easily fall apart as soon as he leaves the same way it did under Chizik? Chizik got no credit from anyone for that season, so why should O until he proves he can do it again without a ready made QB delivered from Urban Meyer with Cincinnati as our only competition?
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His personality fits better at LSU though USC seemed to like him as well.
HIs large outgoing gritty personality fits well with LSU players, sort of like Miles, but even more so.
His personality fits better at LSU? Isn't that just another way of saying he's one of us??
Are the players in Oxford really so different from the guys here in Baton Rouge that they couldn't deal with his "gritty personality" so much that they went 3-21 in SEC play due to that culture clash??
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But he doesn't seem to suffer from the blind spots Miles suffered from.
This is the other reason O gets a pass imo, and actually a reason Chizik may have gotten somewhat of a pass as well even though he isn't "one of us".
Guys like this just hated Miles so much they are just happy he is gone and don't care what happens next. They are still basking in the win of him getting fired and will only acknowledge that the situation is worse if the wheels totally fall off and we start missing bowl games.
Otherwise they will just keep spinning and talk about next year or the year after next!!
Chizik may not be local but he isn't Miles either so for a lot of these guys he'd do too!!
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:13 pm to I-59 Tiger
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What a dumb thread. The only point of making a thread like this is to tell everyone for the millionth time how much you hate Orgeron and Alleva and want them gone. Therefore you want LSU to bomb this fall. Own it.
Tough when you can't find a logical response to a valid comparison isn't it? Just scream to the sky HATERS
How about this, why don't you scroll through this thread that is currently on the first page of this board and let me know if you think all of the "Miles is dumb" comments come from "haters" that "wanted LSU to fail" under Miles. Give me some honesty there and we can discuss further:
Was Les Miles one of the greatest OL minds to ever coach cfb
And in case you missed it, the point of the thread was not to tell anyone anything. The point was for those that have faith that Orgeron can lead us back to the championship level we experienced most of this century to explain to me logically how they see Orgeron as any different or better suited to do that than Gene Chizik.
The responses have been even weaker than I expected.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:16 pm to Tiger Voodoo
If Orgeron were not from Lafourche he wouldn’t be the head coach. If he were from Gary, Indiana he would have never even been the DL coach here
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:18 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Answer me this: Will Orgeron and Alleva be gone if LSU goes 10-3 or 9-4 over the next two seasons?
What is the quickest way for their dismissal?
The flaw in your thinking is, we dont WANT O to go, we think he will go because he's a bad coach.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:19 pm to Fat Bastard
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probably the same. not happy. we all knew who made chizik. it is why nobody could play the "who ya gonna get card" this go around like they did for years prior to miles being fired. i laid out 15 or 20 names i would have went after and taken before O and chizik was not any of them.
now can somebody "make" O? very possible IF he lets the coaches coach. I still always would rather a guy who can call one side of the ball. Now chizik CAN do that but i still feel he was not the answer thus not being on my list of coaches. I will say this. Being and interim HC and running a program full time are quite different and we have to give miles some credit for running this program regardless of coaching faults.
This is easily the most rational and honest post I've gotten, and I appreciate it
That said, as far as who "made" Chizik, I won't argue against it, but Chizik got Cam to Auburn, and also brought in Gus as OC to put the offense around him to go undefeated and win a national title.
If Burrow takes the SEC and CFP by storm will O not deserve great credit for getting him here?
He also signed Fairley and hired his own DC that produced the #17 defense in the country that year and shut down Kelly and Oregon in the NCG.
O won't even have to do that, as his stud DC was already brought on board by Miles.
All of this has nothing to do with the fact that I would be as thrilled as anyone with a run like that, but would it be invalid to still harbor some doubts about O and the future after Burrow and Aranda move on the way so many still (correctly) doubted Chizik after 2010?
And again, for all the talk about Cam, Chizik still had two 8-5 season WITHOUT him, something O never even came close to in his previous coaching stop.
So why the optimism for him vs Chizik for so many?
Also, I've heard a ton about O's "recruiting prowess". Aside from setting the table for guys like Carroll, Miles, or Kiffin to come in and close the deal, we hear a lot about the "stocked cupboard" that O left for Nutt in Oxford. Nutt took the Rebs to the Cotton Bowl the year after O was fired, and that is used as an indication that O did a good job recruiting and had them on the brink of turning things around, despite his 0-8 record in his final season.
Well, uh, Chizik's "cupboard" won the SEC and came within a minute from winning the national championship the year after he was hired, so does Chizik not get that same benefit of the doubt as to his recruiting??
I'm not trying to be difficult here, I just honestly want to know why some people feel so much more satisfied and confident under O than they would have under a guy like Chizik.
It really isn't a crazy hypothetical either. Chizik was out of coaching and making a good impression on the SEC Network at the same time O was sitting around in Larose talking to local talk radio hacks.
He then jumped back in to coaching with the DC position at UNC under Fedora at the same time Miles picked Steele to come in as DC in BR.
Had Miles chosen pursue Chizik instead of Steele, a hire I would argue actually would have been better accepted by Tiger fans as Steele was highly controversial, the odds that Chizik could have been Johnny on the spot instead of O is very possible.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:36 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Answer me this: Will Orgeron and Alleva be gone if LSU goes 10-3 or 9-4 over the next two seasons?
What is the quickest way for their dismissal?
There's a difference in believing he will lose and wanting him gone and actually pulling for it. If he wins, then people won't want him to leave. Do you seriously think people are going to be sitting in the stands or watching on TV yelling "mother fricker! I can't believe Burrow just threw another touchdown pass. shite! Orgeron is never gonna get fired this way!"
Even this guy didn't want his team to lose, he just thought they would ...
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:45 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Chiz fires Cam
Doesn't he need Cam to win at all in the SEC?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:49 pm to Tiger Voodoo
At least Chizik got Cam.
But no I wouldn't be very excited about him.
But no I wouldn't be very excited about him.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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but Chizik got Cam to Auburn, and also brought in Gus as OC to put the offense around him to go undefeated and win a national title.
true
he deserves credit for that
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He also signed Fairley and hired his own DC that produced the #17 defense in the country that year and shut down Kelly and Oregon in the NCG.
O won't even have to do that, as his stud DC was already brought on board by Miles.
no doubt
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So why the optimism for him vs Chizik for so many?
good question. I think it is purely the "he is one of us" crowd along with the eternal optimists we have who just refuse to look at things rationally or use perspective in sports.
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Had Miles chosen pursue Chizik instead of Steele,
as far as DC that could be a good argument. we will never know.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:11 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I wouldn’t like the hire but if same scenario has Chizik at 16-5 after an interim stint plus just one full season I would say faaak Alleva but he’s got the job and deserves a fair shake if bottom doesn’t fall out. 3yrs is what the minimum should be for a new HC unless they go winless or something like that
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:51 pm to Tiger Voodoo
To many ifs and imaginary beliefs. Ed O is the coach. His record will speak for itself. He will then be judged on his record. Try to enjoy your season how you like. Pull for him to win or pull for the program to loose. Tell us all what’s in LSUs best interest to win or loose regardless of the coach.
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