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re: For those BCS lovers who think...
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:59 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:59 pm to Topwater Trout
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But in the past 20 years there have been 15-20 new bowls added and the BCS. Traditionally the major conferences had to go to their pre designated bowl and most years if Oklahoma was # 1 and Bama # 2 ok would go to orange and bama to sugar so the BCS has improved things but a playoff would make cfb even better than it is today IMO.
It's really not that different - especially if you ignore all the bullshite bowls that LSU would never play in anyway.
People may not realize it but the Rose Bowl has had its relationship with the Pac10/Big10 for only about half of its existance - not forever. As recently as 1964 two SEC teams appeared in the Sugar Bowl.
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The reason for sports is competition and finding out who is better. It's why fans brag about their teams etc.
God, what a presumtuous twit you are.
You don't have to lecture me on what competition is, I just prefer to focus on it week to week and not looking past the entire season to the Last Game as so many do on this board in the preseason.
The only way to determine the best team is on the field. This year LSU was better than Alabama and Florida and Auburn was better than LSU.
In 2007 LSU was better than Alabama and Auburn and Ohio State - but we don't know if LSU was better than USC that year, and may not have even known with a playoff system.
If there were a 4-team playoff this season, Oregon-LSU, Boise-Auburn, with LSU and Auburn advancing, we still would not know if LSU was better than Boise.
So I give up on all that shite and just focus on the teams LSU plays. THAT'S competition in my book.
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:08 pm to SaltyTiger53
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I cannot comprehend the lack of logic that goes into the BCS System
We are outside in a 4 team playoff system. In an 8 team playoff, the Auburn game just lost importance, because we made it into the top 8 anyway. The BCS system is only suppose to match #1 and #2, that's it. Any way you go, you are relying on HUMAN polls to determine how good a team is and the "eye test" varies from eye to eye (BIAS). The idea of computers takes out the bias and crunch facts and not opinions.
If all that it takes is to make the top 4 or 8, and the regular season doesn't matter, then why the hell are we playing UNC and WVU? Schedule Temple or Chattanooga, or SMU. In the NFL, the regular season is not a big deal as long as you make the playoffs. In today's NCAA, EVERY WEEKEND COUNTS. We can't afford to lose another game.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:12 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Besides all of that, my main disagreement with a playoff system to determine a champion is that it puts too much emphasis on the championship at the end of the season.
This truly may be one of the dumbest comments I have ever read on this board. You sir are a genius!
WTF do you think is the focus every sunday during the BCS selection show? The focus is who gets to play for the championship. You should become a fan of Tulane since your not interested in the end result of a season.....that is loser talk.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:28 pm to Topwater Trout
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You should become a fan of Tulane since your not interested in the end result of a season.....that is loser talk.
HAHA... Boom!
Also, the sudden influx of 15-20 new bowls over the year such as the papajohns.com bowl are an example of a system where "everyone is a winner".
Lets get a playoff and crown a real champion the American way.. Where underdogs have a shot and teams that didn't have a great season have a shot as long as they make the playoffs.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:32 pm to SaltyTiger53
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Also, the sudden influx of 15-20 new bowls over the year such as the papajohns.com bowl are an example of a system where "everyone is a winner".
Exactly!
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Lets get a playoff and crown a real champion the American way.. Where underdogs have a shot and teams that didn't have a great season have a shot as long as they make the playoffs.
I just don't understand how anyone can be opposed to this.....unless they are recieving money from bowls lol
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:33 pm to biglego
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Yay Pitt would be in as the BigEast champ. A worthy playoff team?
YAY Pitt will be in a BCS Bowl as the BigEast champ . A worthy BCS team?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:42 pm to Mr. Allman
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It would de-value the regular season
No, it wouldn't. As it stands now when a team loses a game they lose title hopes (most of the time). The regular season is already devalued for most teams just by losing a game. The playoffs would only devalue the regular season if there were a bunch of teams allowed in it. I think 8 is a good number. You have to win each and every week just to be in the top 8. Sorry but the "making the regular season weaker" argument is weak.
Example:
Team A loses three games and is currently 6-3. They are playing for a decent bowl at this point. Maybe they're just playing bc they love the game. Either way, the playoff implementation changes nothing for this team.
Team B is undefeated (9-0) but plays in a weak conference and might squeeze into the MNC game. They may lose in the MNC game by a lot and we will all talk about how they never should've been there. They could also be left out of the MNC game after going undefeated and we would have to hear them bitch for years. In either scenario, playoffs would actually help weed them out or let them prove their value.
Team C has lost 1 game and is currently ranked #5. Team C plays in a conference where teams regularly beat up on each other due to the large number of good teams in the conference. This team may actually be the best team in the country but they may not get a chance to show it. Oh and the team that beat Team C goes on to lose a game, to another tough conference foe, and is now out of consideration for MNC also. With a small playoff the best of the best would get their last shot to lay it all on the line, to sort out the best of the best....with no voters or conference seperation.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:45 pm to mikedatyger
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In today's NCAA, EVERY WEEKEND COUNTS. We can't afford to lose another game.
If it was an 8 team playoff every game would still count, how are people not seeing this? 1-loss could easily knock a team out of a top 8 ranking, with the exception of maybe Auburn and Oregon right now. But every team from #3 to #15 would STILL be in contention for a national title. How is this not MORE exciting than right now having maybe 4 teams with a legitimate chance?
And no, every weekend doesn't count in the NCAA, considering there are about 115 teams right now that have NO chance at a national title, thus there weekends don't count in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:47 pm to Ebbandflow
The BCS is like having a bell curve in a classroom. If you are in a class with a bunch of kids who make 100's on their exams and you make a 92 you could end up with a B or C rather than an A... Similarly, if all of these NAQ teams go undefeated we are hosed.
However, say everyone in the class underperforms and make 50's on the exams and we make a 60. We get an A.... 2007 anyone??? Two loss champions???
All I'm saying is that we need a little more consistency than that!!
However, say everyone in the class underperforms and make 50's on the exams and we make a 60. We get an A.... 2007 anyone??? Two loss champions???
All I'm saying is that we need a little more consistency than that!!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:49 pm to rintintin
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If it was an 8 team playoff every game would still count, how are people not seeing this? 1-loss could easily knock a team out of a top 8 ranking, with the exception of maybe Auburn and Oregon right now. But every team from #3 to #15 would STILL be in contention for a national title. How is this not MORE exciting than right now having maybe 4 teams with a legitimate chance?
AND-- we would still have a shot at the Title without praying for everyone else's wheels to fall off their wagons. I don't think it could get much better than this. SCREW THE SUGAR BOWL... I WANNA GO FOR ALL OR NOTHING!!!!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:53 pm to rintintin
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If it was an 8 team playoff every game would still count, how are people not seeing this?
the world is full of stupid people, BCS defenders are proof of that.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:55 pm to SaltyTiger53
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underdogs have a shot
underdogs suck screw boise and TCU
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teams that didn't have a great season have a shot as long as they make the playoffs.
These also suck
both of the above reasons are why pro bcs people dont want a playoff
Yes there are too many bowls get rid of half of them but the BCS is fine.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:56 pm to BeaumontBengal
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we controlled our own destiny. we lost. why should auburn possibly have to beat us twice to win it all? i bet you would not be saying this if we were in auburn's situation.
Mostly agree
The gum in the works is whether Auburn should be ineligible... a playoff wouldn't remove an ineligible team if the NCAA won't
If Auburn is eligible then LSU has no place in the NC discussion IMO - they had their chance and failed
Posted on 11/16/10 at 3:59 pm to rintintin
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And playoffs dont necessarily crown the best team either. They reward the team that gets hot at the end of a season
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That's such bullshite. If they can't get up for every game and beat them on the field, then they don't deserve to win the Championship.
How is this bullshite? Championships are for full seasons. To revisit the Patriots-Giants debate, the Patriots had already beaten the Giants that season and "got up" for every other game that season. Yet a 6-loss team was crowned World Champion. Senseless.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:01 pm to molsusports
quote:OK, so every other sport on every level allows a team to lose at least once and, in many cases, numerous times and still have a chance at a title, but that's not good for NCAA football?
If Auburn is eligible then LSU has no place in the NC discussion IMO - they had their chance and failed
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:03 pm to Seven Constanza
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underdogs have a shot
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underdogs suck screw boise and TCU
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teams that didn't have a great season have a shot as long as they make the playoffs.
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These also suck
both of the above reasons are why pro bcs people dont want a playoff
Yes there are too many bowls get rid of half of them but the BCS is fine.
LSU sucks this year? Doubt it my man.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:03 pm to Seven Constanza
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OK, so every other sport on every level allows a team to lose at least once and, in many cases, numerous times and still have a chance at a title, but that's not good for NCAA football?
I don't care about every other sport as much as I do college football
It's an opinion of mine and one shared by a lot of people
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:07 pm to molsusports
The problem with the system is that it requires either:
1) That you go undefeated (even though some teams have an advantage due to easier schedules) or
2) You get lucky in that you lose early and have time to move back up.
It is flawed in that too much luck is involved. (Even though LSU benefitted from some good fortune in '03 and '07, it still is a shitty system)
1) That you go undefeated (even though some teams have an advantage due to easier schedules) or
2) You get lucky in that you lose early and have time to move back up.
It is flawed in that too much luck is involved. (Even though LSU benefitted from some good fortune in '03 and '07, it still is a shitty system)
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:08 pm to Adam Banks
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both of the above reasons are why pro bcs people dont want a playoff
I agree with you there, but a playoff doesn't have to mean 16 or 32 teams. A simple 8 team playoff would work perfectly.
-Regular season is still important
-Multiple teams get a shot (even non-BCS teams)
-Current bowl system can be kept in place
-Playoffs wouldn't last too long
Most would agree that the top 8 teams would all be competitive in the championship game year in and year out.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 4:18 pm
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