re: For the people who think orgeron is a savior. Why?

I am Saying O doesn’t bring enough to the table and relies too much and players making big plays, which you can’t expect to happen all the time.

You can win games with just good coaching
You can win games with just good players

But to win consistently you need both, and I think o doesn’t bring anything tonhalf this equation. So we will win games because we have good players and Dave Aranda is a good coach for sure.

But what does O himself bring to the table?

The best O supporters can say is that he surrounds himself with great football minds, and let’s them coach. But has he proven to actually do that? Not really.

No one, other than a handful of “he talk like us” idiots believe O is any kind of savior.

And outside of Louisiana most believe he is not competent as a HC.

Folks here suggest it’s “disrespect” but it’s true O isn’t respected. Respect is earned. And he hasn’t earned it.

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I am Saying O doesn’t bring enough to the table and relies too much and players making big plays, which you can’t expect to happen all the time.

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I agree 100%

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You can win games with just good coaching
You can win games with just good players

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I also agree with this

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But to win consistently you need both, and I think o doesn’t bring anything tonhalf this equation.

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I ABSOLUTELY agree with this

All I am saying is that the AU game last year was a great win, and I don't think one should use THAT game to discredit Ed.


Similarly, I don't think anyone should point to that game and say "see, he is a coach that can lead LSU to a championship"

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O has proven what he is. I'm not sure why anyone thinks he will change.

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This coming from a guy who grossly lied to every poster on this board. So the old Memphis is still the old Memphis? Asking for a friend. Touche

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A lot of starters only play 2 years, transfer or not. Was Flynn (1 year) a temp fix? If Burrow plays 2 years and does awesome, why the hell do I care if he started his freshman season here? If Brennan only starts his Jr and Sr years, is he considered a temp fix?

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My point is that going out and getting an already-developed transfer from another school isn't something that instills longterm confidence in O as the "savior" of the program. Again, a very nice stop-gap potentially. But he has to show that he and his staff can go out and recruit a QB and develop him into a competent D1 player. That obviously remains to be seen.

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I'm satisfied with what I expect our offense to be. Just a few weeks left and all this nonsense about how inept Ensminger is will be put to rest.

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Oh shut up. I never said he's inept. Just that the hire in no way instills confidence in me.

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So did Les. Remember he hired steele to recruit LBs and Os first class at LSU (2016) we took three DT and were desperately trying to get a 4th. That was sill under Les.

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Yeah but O actually showed results with this issue.

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So you have predetermined that no matter what level of success Ed Orgeron ever has, you will always credit the players and fault him?

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I think we have enough history on O to know that he is not in any way a good head coach.

If he proves otherwise, great, but I see no reason someone should have faith that he will.

And bad coaches can have good games and great coaches can have bad games.

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Its not every year you get arguably the best WR crop in the country.

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Go back and look at les's wr recruits. We never had a problem getting the athletes we had a problem with using them.

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A lot of starters only play 2 years, transfer or not. Was Flynn (1 year) a temp fix? If Burrow plays 2 years and does awesome, why the hell do I care if he started his freshman season here? If Brennan only starts his Jr and Sr years, is he considered a temp fix? 

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How often are highly coveted Qbs available? It sure would be nice to be able to develop our own so that we don't have to depend on other teams to teach our Qbs how to throw.

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The best O supporters can say is that he surrounds himself with great football minds, and let’s them coach. But has he proven to actually do that? Not really.

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I agree with you. Aranda was here before O became HC and we just paid him HC money to stay as DC. Why wouldn't he stay, at least for now?

Is Ensminger really the best we can do at OC? Remember, we have O has HC (I was thinking of an appropriate middle name like Ed "the Coaching Disaster" Orgeron or Ed "the Vacuum" Orgeron, but I haven't settled on one yet). He can't honestly say that promoting Ensminger from TE coach to OC is hiring the best coordinators in the game (which I think is closer to what O said when he was hired).

No one can reasonably expect this coaching staff to bring us to a championship, unless you and I are incorrect and the HC is superfluous in modern college FB. I don't see any evidence to support that position given how Saban and whomever he fields as a team has dominated the last decade of college football.

At best, we can hope that we have good enough players and good enough luck to make the Citrus Bowl. That's really it.

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Op idiot. I have never seen anyone in this board say anything that would resemble O being a savior. I have, however, seen people that are rational and realize that he is our HC this year sit back and hope for the best. I have also seen miserable POS negative people like OP that do nothing but constantly bash when we have not played a game yet. So OP get back to your moms basement and STFU and give it a rest for at least a couple weeks because then you may have something to bitch about. Have some patience and F Off for now.

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Most of the negative posts in here are Alabama paid corrupts doing their best to perpetuate unrest!