re: For the idiots who think J. Lee can solve our problems....

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In week 8 of 2008, we were 5-1 and ranked 13th in the country with our only loss being to Florida.

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I'll keep track of this all year and when we finish with two or three losses and wind up in a good bowl game, I'll make sure you idiots eat crow. The point of my thread is that you pull for your team, not against it. We will finish with a better record this year, with Jefferson at the helms, and with less overall talent elsewhere.

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Ya'll do know that Jefferson is just a sophmore with the number of starts under his belt in the single digits, right? Of course you don't.

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So JJ "is just a sophomore" but Lee is the worst QB ever?

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Our current QB has lead us to a 5-1 record and a top 10 ranking

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No, the defense has us where we are.

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Idiots look for reasons that our current situation could be worse or that nothing positive will happen over the second half of the season. True Tiger Fans pull for their team and starting QB to continue to win games and have a great season. Which one are you?

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I have to choose one?

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1. Do any of you remember how bad everyone wanted J. Lee benched last year? Of course not, ya'll are too stupid to remember anything past yesterday.

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exactly, that was LAST year. he's had a year to develope and learn the game. to say he's the same qb that he was a year ago is ridiculous.

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2. Our current QB has lead us to a 5-1 record and a top 10 ranking.

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we were a preseason top 10 team and we beat all the bad teams that we were supposed to beat, none of which were even remotely in convincing fashion.

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3. Our current QB may not be flashy, but he doesn't make many mistakes either that could cost us a victory.

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it has nothing to do with being flashy. there was nothing flashy about matt flynn. to say that jefferson doesn't make mistakes is a joke too. he may not throw picks but he sure as hell takes about 5 sacks a game.

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4. Remember how many times J. Lee helped the other team win last year, not just by pick 6's, but by interceptions that set up a short field.

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again, this was LAST YEAR. also, if our defense hadn't sucked so bad last year he wouldn't have had to throw the ball so much.

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5. Remember the great running game we had last year, but now we can't seem to get more than a yard a carry. You think this may have something to do with the offensive line? Of course not, ya'll are a bunch of idiots.

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when the other team can put 8 people in the box bc they know your qb can't throw it makes the o-line's job just a LITTLE bit harder. i'm not saying by any means that our o-line doesn't deserve criticism, but you have to admit that jefferson's inability to throw the ball makes their job a lot harder.

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6. You ever think that maybe Jefferson doesn't throw to the WR's because they are not open? I can't say there were 5 times I could think of where I was bitching because Jefferson didn't connect with a wide open receiver.

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they may not be standing by themselves, but i refuse to believe that with our groups of wr's (arguably the best in the nation) and te that he can't find SOMEONE to throw the ball too.

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7. Ya'll do know that Jefferson is just a sophmore with the number of starts under his belt in the single digits, right? Of course you don't.

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lee is a sophomore too, and what people conveniently leave out is that lee didn't even have close to a full pre-season as the starter, whereas jefferson has been the starter since the arky game last year. i consider there experience level to be pretty damn close to even.

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8. Maybe, just maybe, we are not dominating opponents with our offense because the play calling stinks. We are not just bringing Jefferson along slowly, the play calling is just plain horrible.

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agreed, but i have to believe that the play calling is a function of the talent on the field. why do you think every pass play is either for 5 yards or 55 yards? it's bc anything further than 10 yards and he doesn't have the accuracy, but if he gets picked on a 55 yard pass then it's the same thing as a punt.

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9. Jefferson, for how bad everyone thinks he is doing, has completed 63% of his passes with only 3 INT's on the year.

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we could put jasper back there at qb and he could make those throws. it's not that hard to throw wr screens all the time.

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10. The only loss we have so far this year is to the #1 ranked team in the nation.

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true, but we scored 3 POINTS the entire game with 162 yards of total offense. i don't care if we're playing the saints, we should still be able to put up better numbers than that.

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11. For those idiots that say he should run when he feels the pressure coming, Jefferson would have to take the snap and start running. The pressure gets to him in less than 2 seconds.

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when you know he can't make the throws why not send pressure?

i am a TRUE tiger fan but i am also a realist. i'm not saying that lee is absolutely the answer but to sit here and say that you're ok with the way things are going right now is just delusional. we have not had one decent offensive showing this year. jesus christ man, we could only put up 31 against ul for christ sake. of course i'll pull for jefferson if he's the qb but i think it's time to at least see what other options we have.

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2. Our current QB has lead us to a 5-1 record and a top 10 ranking.

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so did J.Lee

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3. Our current QB may not be flashy, but he doesn't make many mistakes either that could cost us a victory.

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if by mistakes you only mean throwing interceptions then ok. but mistakes can be measured other ways: sacks,
never throwing the ball away,
few times he's thrown the ball deep, he was not too accurate with it,
has made maybe two or three good plays with his feet all year, which was supposed to be one of his stronger skills,
only looks at one reciever then panics if he's not open

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4. Remember how many times J. Lee helped the other team win last year, not just by pick 6's, but by interceptions that set up a short field.

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how about 3 and outs or being one of the worst teams in the country in terms of time of possession.

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5. Remember the great running game we had last year, but now we can't seem to get more than a yard a carry. You think this may have something to do with the offensive line? Of course not, ya'll are a bunch of idiots.

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do you remember teams daring us to throw last year by putting at least 8 in the box on almost every play

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6. You ever think that maybe Jefferson doesn't throw to the WR's because they are not open? I can't say there were 5 times I could think of where I was bitching because Jefferson didn't connect with a wide open receiver.

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you ever think maybe he's too scared to get hit so he doesn't even look at more than one of them before he panics. do you remember when we were begging to throw the ball deep and we finally did one game and he missed the guy at least 3 times in that game.

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7. Ya'll do know that Jefferson is just a sophmore with the number of starts under his belt in the single digits, right? Of course you don't.

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you do remember J. Lee was a freshman last year and is our most experienced QB and always faced his mistakes, never hid from them, never said anything bad about the fans or his teammates that seemed to quit on him.

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Jefferson, for how bad everyone thinks he is doing, has completed 63% of his passes with only 3 INT's on the year.

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he also has more sacks than J. Lee did all last year and is leading HIS offense to the 112 best in the country.

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10. The only loss we have so far this year is to the #1 ranked team in the nation

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Lee lost to the #11 same team last year in Florida at this point.

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11. For those idiots that say he should run when he feels the pressure coming, Jefferson would have to take the snap and start running. The pressure gets to him in less than 2 seconds.

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or he could step up in the pocket and trust the guys to create one for him instead of collapsing the pocket as soon as he feels pressure by running backwards. i know thats a big if but he's not doing anything to help them. he stays in the pocket but only tries to avoid the defense instead of running or keeping his head up to pass it and take a hit.

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12. After 6 games, we still have not been eliminated from the NC picture.

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nor were we last year

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True Tiger Fans pull for their team and starting QB to continue to win games and have a great season.

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who's not pulling for him? no one wants him to do bad idiot. no one wanted J. Lee to do bad last year. but if something isn't working, (112th) then somthing needs to be done about it, and it's just normal to start with the QB. well, or the coaching.

i don't want J.Lee to start, just give him a chance to see if he's learned from mistakes, it can't hurt.

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do you remember teams daring us to throw last year by putting at least 8 in the box on almost every play

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Excatly. What do you think teams will do with Lee in? What would you rather......Stack 8 in the box and force a QB who throws pick 6s to beat you or stack 8 in the box and force a QB who plays conservative to beat you?

It doesn't matter who we play, they are going to stack the box and sell out to the run until either QB proves they are capable of bringing a solid passing game and not get sacked or throw a pick 6 whenever they are under pressure.

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throw a pick 6 whenever they are under pressure

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jesus christ man!!!!! this was last year!!!! i hate to keep hearing this comparison but matt stafford had worse stats than j. lee in his freshman season at georgia and we all know how he turned out. just give the kid a quarter or 2 to see if he's improved or not. pick 6 or not, we put up points last year with him running the show.

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The point of my thread is that you pull for your team, not against it.

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Lee isn't on the team anymore? Link?

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I don't care if we play Lee, but defenses aren't going to all of a sudden respect the passing game, they will still stack the box and force Lee to pass, much like they are doing with Jefferson. The reason they will do that is because of how he played last year.

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i agree, and if he's better he'll light them up and if he isn't better then i'm sure the outcome will be similar to what it was last year. the point is that no one on this board can say with any accuracy that he hasn't improved since last year and with our offense looking as bad as it has been it couldn't hurt to give him some p.t.

You can easily solve the debate. Try a 2 QB system against Auburn and go with the hot hand. It's been tried before (LSU last year with Hatch and Lee). Competition can to be a motivator.

While the offense has it's woes, alot of it has to do with field position. That is because of our defense. Not sure if anyone's noticed, but the "bend don't break" scheme only helps the other team control the clock and field position.