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For the critics, define “approach at the plate”
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:27 pm
I know what that means to me, but I see it mentioned multiple times in just about every thread and am wondering what the consensus definition is. And if ours is bad or non-existent, what is a “good approach” in your opinion?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:33 pm to Hot Carl
Youll get different answers from everyone, but for me its being selective and disciplined with the pitches you swing at. Also, when getting 2 strikes, having the ability to fight off pitches close to the plate...prolonging the at bat. Minimizing the wild swings at sliders in the dirt. Also im not against swinging at a first pitch fastball thats over the plate.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:34 pm to VermilionTiger
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You define it first
I’m not the one whining about it in every thread.
And I’m not trying to be a dick—this is no “gotcha” thread. I legitimately want to know what people think. I really want to believe it’s not just “get a hit = good approach and make an out = bad approach.”
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:35 pm to Hot Carl
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And if ours is bad or non-existent, what is a “good approach” in your opinion?
See Ryan Theriot
Ryan says its 100% our approach at the plate.
He has offered to help Paul.
Typical Paul, refuses his help.
WHY?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:35 pm to Supermoto Tiger
Mainieri hates theriot from his rant last year, had that confirmed from 2 different sources
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:36 pm to Hot Carl
I can tell you what they mean. They mean hitting over 0.300 with a good to great slugging percentage. Other than that, they have no idea.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:38 pm to Hot Carl
To me it is your strategy around each type of count.
0-0 first pitch, do we let them swing at meatballs over the plate or are we taking first pitch? 2 strikes, how do we defend the plate? Do we look just to advance runners when on with bunts, grounders or are we swinging away for XBHs?
Etc.
I'm no expert but that's what I've always considered "approach at the plate".
ETA:
I think the taking first pitch can be useful for the weaker part of our lineup, especially against pitchers having issues finding the zone. But I'm a big proponent of letting the hitters we trust (3-4 guys) really swing away at that first pitch if they like it.
0-0 first pitch, do we let them swing at meatballs over the plate or are we taking first pitch? 2 strikes, how do we defend the plate? Do we look just to advance runners when on with bunts, grounders or are we swinging away for XBHs?
Etc.
I'm no expert but that's what I've always considered "approach at the plate".
ETA:
I think the taking first pitch can be useful for the weaker part of our lineup, especially against pitchers having issues finding the zone. But I'm a big proponent of letting the hitters we trust (3-4 guys) really swing away at that first pitch if they like it.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:39 pm to Supermoto Tiger
I know for a fact Theriot turned down the hitting coach position when Gibbs got hurt, so I don’t think you can blame Paul for Theriot not being there.
Source: Ryan Theriot
Source: Ryan Theriot
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:40 pm to josh336
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Mainieri hates theriot from his rant last year, had that confirmed from 2 different sources
Your West Monroe sources?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:40 pm to josh336
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Mainieri hates theriot from his rant last year, had that confirmed from 2 different sources
Their animosity goes back way further. And falls more on Mainieri than Theriot.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:41 pm to Hot Carl
Why do we need to get this technical? The bats aren’t producing. It’s as simple as that.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:42 pm to josh336
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for me its being selective and disciplined with the pitches you swing at. Also, when getting 2 strikes, having the ability to fight off pitches close to the plate...prolonging the at bat.
This is everyone's approach. The word "ability" is key. This has nothing to do with approach and everything to do with ability.
Paul Mainieri's approach has always been that college pitchers want to get ahead in the count, and they are usually going to throw strikes early - usually fastballs. He wants his players to swing at those. Those are the best opportunities they will likely get. After that, be selective. And if they get two strikes then protect the plate.
Occasionally he has a player who needs a special approach, like choking up and shortening the swing, but that's for certain individuals.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:43 pm to The Pirate King
quote:because its a messageboard and its what he asked for. Dont be offended, we know you cant get technical
Why do we need to get this technical? The bats aren’t producing. It’s as simple as that.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:44 pm to josh336
Our hitters are swinging and missing at too many pitches. Don’t really need to waste time past that.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:45 pm to Hot Carl
quote:it's simple: get on base.
approach at the plate
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:45 pm to Penrod
The ability is key, if he cant recruit players who fit the mold of the style he wants them to play with, thats on him. But some of it like pitch recognition can be taught. Some guys arent comfortable hitting with 2 strikes and some are
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