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“For Former LSU Stars, This Offensive Explosion Has Been A Long Time Coming” -ESPN
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:46 pm
Solid article detailing what former players think about our offense. Really makes you wonder what could’ve been if something like this was implemented earlier.
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This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 1:47 pm
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:01 pm to Maravich
For all LSU fans it's been a long time coming
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:01 pm to Maravich
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:05 pm to Maravich
It's been discussed ad nausem, but 2008 terrified Les and he refused to have another season like that, so his approach from then on out was to play risk-averse on offense. The only deviation was in 2013 when LSU's weak defense (compared to other seasons) forced Les to through caution to the wind just so his teams could keep up with the opponent.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:23 pm to Alt26
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It's been discussed ad nausem, but 2008 terrified Les and he refused to have another season like that, so his approach from then on out was to play risk-averse on offense.
The only deviation was in 2013 when LSU's weak defense (compared to other seasons) forced Les to through caution to the wind just so his teams could keep up with the opponent.
Seasons in question 2009-2013.
336
301
279
356
326
You could be right except for the parts where '09 and '12 threw more passes than '13.
2012 had only 10 less attempts than 2005 and 2006.
Also, 2015 would've had +300att without McNeese canelled.
There's never any data to support this myth that 2008 freaked Miles out and likely has more to do with run vs pass strength.
The true narrative should read: Why did Miles let Crowton script almost 400 passes for 3 very green QBs in 2008?
Playing from behind? The Wiz just led LSU to NC the year before? Other?
Geaux Tigers, beat Bama.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:41 pm to Mayhawman
It's the effectiveness of the offense that they actually mean.
Two receiver routes, primarily a power package, and requiring the players to win their matchups consistently.
That's all fine when facing inferior talent.
But when you play an equally talented opponent, LSU couldn't win enough times to beat Bama.
The new offense seems to use the scheme to put players in position to easily win. So, you have the benefit of both winning 1:1 matchups, and the scheme providing easy wins.
Two receiver routes, primarily a power package, and requiring the players to win their matchups consistently.
That's all fine when facing inferior talent.
But when you play an equally talented opponent, LSU couldn't win enough times to beat Bama.
The new offense seems to use the scheme to put players in position to easily win. So, you have the benefit of both winning 1:1 matchups, and the scheme providing easy wins.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:46 pm to Mayhawman
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There's never any data to support this myth that 2008 freaked Miles out and likely has more to do with run vs pass strength.
The real problem was he failed to even attempt to implement a modern passing attack.
I don't care how many times you throw it, it's more about WHEN and HOW you throw it.
Our passing under Miles was so predictable, an elementary age child could predict it.
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:58 pm to Maravich
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"After the spring football game, I told everyone that [Burrow] was going to break all of my records," said Rohan Davey, who stepped in to helm the offense at the start of the Saban era and from 1998 to 2001 set a slew of school passing marks, including the most career 300-yard passing games (seven) and the most passing yards for a season (3,347) and a game (528, against Alabama in 2001). Burrow already has broken the first mark with eight and is only 542 yards behind the second with at least four games remaining. "I think some people might think I'd be mad about that, but they are crazy. This is too much fun to watch for anyone to be mad."
GOAT
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:09 pm to rintintin
quote:This, and it really wasn’t limited to passing. The offense was exceptionally predictable based on the personnel package and formation coupled with down and distance.
Our passing under Miles was so predictable, an elementary age child could predict it.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:25 pm to rintintin
Thanks, we know the O has come of age, but none of the above replies have anything to do with 2008 "terrifying" Miles.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:42 pm to JohnnyT
You're parroting dumb talk unless you're on staff.
If you had to wager on every rushing play naming block scheme, and Gap, you'd go broke just on audibles.
If you had to wager on every rushing play naming block scheme, and Gap, you'd go broke just on audibles.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:46 pm to Alt26
quote:There is a little truth to that, but we also never had the QB that could be unleashed....I am not excusing Miles and staff for not finding or developing that guy...but I see it as true. I think Brennan is going to be good, but Burrow is on another planet right now, we may NEVER see this again.
It's been discussed ad nausem, but 2008 terrified Les and he refused to have another season like that, so his approach from then on out was to play risk-averse on offense.
But ultimately I think Hester said it best, we won a lot of football games. But not many championships. I think Miles thought his guys were good enough to do it that way..he was wrong, and he was unemployed for a while because of it.
I think Brady is great and the scheme is great, I just think we will unquestionably will see a little less production next year with Joe gone. We have lightning in a bottle.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:52 pm to tigerfoot
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There is a little truth to that, but we also never had the QB that could be unleashed.
We had Qbs with talent but our offense most years didn't lend itself to help out the QB and make it easy for them
Bama won championships with McElroy, Coker, and Sims
Auburn played for a championship with a glorified RB at QB
There was no excuse for the 2012-2013 offense to finish as low as they did stat wise. We should've been a top 10-20 offense both of those years.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:58 pm to Midtiger farm
quote:When we had a QB we threw it pretty well. We just had ZERO talent. We were discussing Andrew Hatch for the love of God. Jennings? Holy crap.
We had Qbs with talent but our offense most years didn't lend itself to help out the QB and make it easy for them
Harris? No way.
Etling came in and was head and shoulders above the others, and he was just average. Never as bad as the rant made out, but just average.
We had a QB drought for quite a while.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:58 pm to Maravich
Great read .. Thanks.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:13 pm to rintintin
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Our passing under Miles was so predictable, an elementary age child could predict it.
When you do part of the defense’s job (taking away half the field by not allowing QBs to hardly throw over the middle), it makes it even easier to gameplan.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:13 pm to Alt26
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It's been discussed ad nausem, but 2008 terrified Les and he refused to have another season like that, so his approach from then on out was to play risk-averse on offense. The only deviation was in 2013 when LSU's weak defense (compared to other seasons) forced Les to through caution to the wind just so his teams could keep up with the opponent.
Refused to throw between the numbers or hash marks ever again, this is true of the 2008 trauma.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 6:02 pm to Mayhawman
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but none of the above replies have anything to do with 2008 "terrifying" Miles.
2007 gave him stroke, 2008 he felt, proved his point about the forward pass. Of course he totally Ignored the Malveto debacle that put them in a lose lose position with a freshman QB.
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