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re: For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:45 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:45 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Who also, in his and his pitching coach's, opinions didn't have the stuff to run through a line up 3 or 4 times.
Instead, he gave the ball to a guy who had blown up at least 3 other times in similar situations.
Against Vandy, McCune gave up 4 hits and 4 runs in 1 inning.
Against Tenneseee, McCune gave up 2 hits and 2 runs in 1/3 of an inning.
Against A&M, McCune gave up 4 hits and a run in 1 inning.
McCune had a 6.46 ERA in SEC games (quality opponents). Opponents hit .355 against him.
The thought that McCune was less of a risk than Bouman who you just watched pitch 6 scoreless with ease is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 2:48 pm
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:50 pm to moneyg
So you're saying ride the hot hand? What did McCune do his last time out before the regional?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:53 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So you're saying ride the hot hand? What did McCune do his last time out before the regional?
One good outing, especially as a reliever, does not give you a "hot hand". However, Boumans 3 stellar outings in a row does. As was posted above, McCune had been lit up multiple times this year. To suggest he was hot because he managed 3 outs one time is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:57 pm to RB10
He pitched 2 innings of no hit ball against a top 3 RPI team and got the save.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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He pitched 2 innings of no hit ball against a top 3 RPI team and got the save.
I defer to my statement above. One outing for a reliever, especially one outing for a guy who's been inconsistent for 3 years, does not give them a hot hand.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:08 pm to moneyg
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The thought that McCune was less of a risk than Bouman who you just watched pitch 6 scoreless with ease is ridiculous.
How did the 7th inning go with McCune? 10 pitches and faced the minimum...going to McCune was not the issue.
Leaving McCune in too long was the issue.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:09 pm to RB10
So does 5 innings work? McCunes last 5 innings he allowed zero runs and 1 hit.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:09 pm to Jim Ignatowski
Post #2 nailed it.... who recruited the bullpen?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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McCunes last 5 innings he allowed zero runs and 1 hit.
Someone mentioned that he had allowed 4 earned runs over his last 14 appearances.
Not sure if that is true or not.
This whole discussion is pointless. McCune was fine in the 7th. shite hit the fan in the 8th inning and PM left him out there too long.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:12 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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McCune was fine in the 7th. shite hit the fan in the 8th inning and PM left him out there too long.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:13 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So does 5 innings work? McCunes last 5 innings he allowed zero runs and 1 hit.
Now you're just being argumentative so I'm done. If you had any faith in a guy who's been inconsistent for most of his college career then more power to you. There's a reason so many LSU fans were nervous when he came in. I don't care how many number you throw at me, McCune was inconsistent and had a tendency to give up runs in bunches.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:13 pm to gametimehoop
Alan Dunn is a great developmental pitching coach, but it would lead you to believe he could land higher quality recruits.. On the other hand a 12-8 hit count should not equate to a 12-2 loss. Cannot blame the coach if guys don't throw strikes & make errors.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:14 pm to RB10
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Now you're just being argumentative so I'm done. If you had any faith in a guy who's been inconsistent for most of his college career then more power to you. There's a reason so many LSU fans were nervous when he came in. I don't care how many number you throw at me, McCune was inconsistent and had a tendency to give up runs in bunches.
I'm not being argumentative. You are arguing that we should have went with the 'hot hand'. Well McCune also had a hot hand as I just showed you. It wasn't a dumb move at all.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:14 pm to mylsuhat
I don't blame CPM, or at least I don't blame his decision to pull Bouman, for the loss Sunday. Bouman was pitching well, but since he hasn't had an outing longer than 6 innings, I was perfectly fine with us making the switch.
I do think he should have had McCune on a much shorter leash. I said at the time that we should have pulled him after the error and definitely after he loaded the bases. As soon as he started to struggle we should have pull him and put Broussard in.
Even still though, I don't necessarily think the decision to leave McCune in was completely indefensible. But putting Domangue in that high pressure situation last night and watching him flounder through 5 straight batters was a joke.
I do think he should have had McCune on a much shorter leash. I said at the time that we should have pulled him after the error and definitely after he loaded the bases. As soon as he started to struggle we should have pull him and put Broussard in.
Even still though, I don't necessarily think the decision to leave McCune in was completely indefensible. But putting Domangue in that high pressure situation last night and watching him flounder through 5 straight batters was a joke.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:16 pm to GoGeauxGaux
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I do think he should have had McCune on a much shorter leash. I said at the time that we should have pulled him after the error and definitely after he loaded the bases. As soon as he started to struggle we should have pull him and put Broussard in.
This was the issue in the Sunday game plain and simple.
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But putting Domangue in that high pressure situation last night and watching him flounder through 5 straight batters was a joke.
Yes. Yes it was. He was absolutely terrible. Not sure how he is on this team.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:18 pm to PurpleAndGold86
In my opinion, when you put McCune in the game, you were flipping a coin as to what you were going to get. I would've much preferred the alternative of leaving Bouman in until he showed signs of tiring/trouble.
Also, link to where I've said CPM left a starter in too long.
Also, link to where I've said CPM left a starter in too long.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm not being argumentative. You are arguing that we should have went with the 'hot hand'. Well McCune also had a hot hand as I just showed you. It wasn't a dumb move at all.
I've already said I didn't agree with pulling bouman but an argument could be made for doing it. That doesn't change the fact that mainieri did it because he over analyzed the situation, panicked because he wasn't sure bouman could get it done, and pulled him. I don't care what your gameplan is going in, when you have a starter that has given up 2 hits on 62 pitches through 6 innings I don't think it's a smart move to yank them. I think it was especially dumb to yank him and not play the matchups for the remainder of the game. Instead he out in a guy that has proven he can give up runs in bunches, and has done it multiple times this year, and left him in WAY too long.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:22 pm to High C
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In my opinion, when you put McCune in the game, you were flipping a coin as to what you were going to get.
I agree.
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I would've much preferred the alternative of leaving Bouman in until he showed signs of tiring/trouble.
I disagree. If you aren't comfortable with your guy going through a lineup 3 times because you have seen him pitch and know that he typically struggles at that point and its a 1 run game, it's pretty difficult to argue with that. A 1 run lead can vanish quickly.
For the 223509085th time, PM left in McCune too long. That isn't debatable. I think everyone knows it. I don't really have much of a problem with the other move, even though it baffled the shite out of me when he did it.
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Also, link to where I've said CPM left a starter in too long.
I never said that you did. I said that people on here have bitched about that many many times. I asked you if you would have bitched if Bouman had given up 2 runs in the 7th inning.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:22 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I don't have the stats in front of me to list, but I think the couple of good innings by McCune late were the exception not the rule.
The point I wanted to make, however, is that you made the point time and time again about a lack of faith in Bouman going through the lineup another time, but I'm not sure how many times through constituted the comfort level. You mention 3 or 4 times, which of course is a dramatic difference in this case and at some point mention not being comfortable with 3 "full times through." Under the circumstances, I don't understand why you don't at least allow him to attempt the 3rd time through and have relief ready to jump in. The stats listed earlier showed between 22-25 batters if I'm not mistaken, so CPM has clearly allowed him to face teams best hitters 3 times on a regular basis.
The point I wanted to make, however, is that you made the point time and time again about a lack of faith in Bouman going through the lineup another time, but I'm not sure how many times through constituted the comfort level. You mention 3 or 4 times, which of course is a dramatic difference in this case and at some point mention not being comfortable with 3 "full times through." Under the circumstances, I don't understand why you don't at least allow him to attempt the 3rd time through and have relief ready to jump in. The stats listed earlier showed between 22-25 batters if I'm not mistaken, so CPM has clearly allowed him to face teams best hitters 3 times on a regular basis.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:25 pm to RB10
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panicked because he wasn't sure bouman could get it done
I'm still not sure where you are digging this out of. PM did not panic when he pulled Bouman out of the game. He knew what he wanted from Bouman, got it, and made the decision to pull him out. He panicked in the later stages of the game as he realized McCune was blowing the game.
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