re: Fla rushes 4, drops 7 in coverage. Problem?

Posted by bfniii

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 7:56 pm to StatMaster

i'm not sure why people suddenly think the fla pass rush is unstoppable. i just watched the auburn game again and the fla pass rush wasn't some smothering problem. fla's rush d was much better than the pass d.

i counted 6 1st downs and a td that nix missed when wr's were open. then on the next play after the missed td, nix read the defense incorrectly. not saying he would have thrown a td otherwise but, he for sure didn't help his team out on that rz trip. it's just the kind of thing burrow has not done this year.

plus nix made some bad decisions trying to run the ball, like the 3 stooges sack for a 20 yard loss

Posted by TrueTigerTale

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 7:57 pm to StatMaster

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My only concern about this game is that Fla will be able to get pressure with 4 and drop 7 and cover our WRs with numbers. Utah St rushed 3 and dropped 8 with some success at times getting to Burrow. Obviously, Fla’s defensive line is way better than Utah St. Anyone else see this as a problem?

Your concern is legit, but in Brady I have faith.

Posted by SlipperyPete

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 7:58 pm to Penrod

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his is not what I saw against Auburn. I saw a few five man rushes. Mostly I saw them faking five, and at the snap one would drop into coverage. This forced the line to account for five, but only four rushed.

Correct. Florida only rushed more than 4 only twice out of 61 Auburn plays.

Posted by texastigerr

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 7:59 pm to briano22

Florida defense > than Texas defense.

Posted by Howyouluhdat

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:03 pm to mtntiger

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All defenses can be beaten. Drop 7? Zone. Find the open spaces. Getting pressure with 4? Delayed release of TE or RB, or hit quick slant.

I think the ability to adjust is the single most important new assest Joe Burrow and Joe Brady bring to the table this year. Joe can read the defense and check into a play based on what he sees the defense doing. Brady has the playbook depth to allow the offense to execute these plays. I think the offense hasn’t shown everything they have and that makes it very dangerous

Posted by ConeHawk

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:06 pm to Penrod

I mean, the dude for The Athletic counted every snap...

Posted by Howyouluhdat

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:08 pm to redfishfan

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For example an OLB may be reading end man on LOS. If he down blocks he knows it’s run and he fits in the run. If he pass blocks he knows it pass and gets into his drop

You act like that’s easy to do. First of all you have to have smart and fast/talented OLB to do that successfully. A competent TE or slot WR will beat that every time without a solid OLB.

Posted by bstew3006

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:09 pm to Penrod

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This is not what I saw against Auburn. I saw a few five man rushes. Mostly I saw them faking five, and at the snap one would drop into coverage. This forced the line to account for five, but only four rushed. I saw a few times where two of the five dropped into coverage, and only three rushed. Caveat: This is the only Florida game I’ve seen this year.

I understand that, but we run a totally different offense than AU. He blitzed the shite out of LSU last and has a reputation of bring the blitz. On Monday he said we are very similar to last year.

He may have same game plan as against AU and drop 7... I just don’t think he will sit back and let JB sit back in the pocket.

Posted by Penrod

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:11 pm to mtntiger

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All defenses can be beaten. Drop 7? Zone. Find the open spaces. Getting pressure with 4? Delayed release of TE or RB, or hit quick slant.

This is not really true. If a good defense is getting good pressure with four there is no strategy to beat them. The only way to beat that defense is with superstar performances at QB or WR.

Posted by bstew3006

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:12 pm to SlipperyPete

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Correct. Florida only rushed more than 4 only twice out of 61 Auburn plays.

LSU and AU run same style offense?

His reputation is blitz happy, that’s a fact. What he ran last week doesn’t mean much. Already stated LSUs offense is similar to last years...which he was bringing the house.

Posted by Ace Midnight

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:15 pm to StatMaster

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My only concern about this game is that Fla will be able to get pressure with 4 and drop 7 and cover our WRs with numbers.

We should be able to run against a soft zone. When they show man, we should be able to pass on them.

I get this is the best defense we've faced this year - but we are who we are. This is either going to work or it isn't. We aren't a true power spread, but we have enough talent with our linemen and backs to run if Florida commits to stopping the pass.

Posted by SlidellCajun

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:16 pm to StatMaster

it's only a problem if they can actually get pressure rushing 4.

If they can, we have problems but I seriously doubt that they will.

Burrow can get rid of the ball quickly in this system so that's going to hurt Florida big time.

Also, Burrow can run it and when he tears off a few long ones they'll chill.

Posted by SlipperyPete

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:17 pm to bstew3006

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LSU and AU run same style offense ?

They don't and Grantham even said AU's offense was predicated on pre-snap motion while LSU's receiver's routes change as the play develops based on coverage leverage. The reason he isn't blitzing much is he trusts his corners one-on-one and the rest of his secondary to cover in space. Regardless of the offense, if you trust your ability to cover and get push from rushing four, it doesn't matter the offense you're playing.

This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 8:34 pm

Posted by lostinbr

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:17 pm to StatMaster

Any time a team can get pressure with 4, it’s a problem for the offense. I think that the UF DL vs. LSU OL matchup is absolutely going to define this game. So the first thing is that our OL has to, at a minimum, is prevent the big plays by their DL - sacks, batted balls, etc. - because we can’t afford those.

I think the more interesting question is what happens if they rush 4 and don’t make the big plays? If Burrow has time to wait I think he will slice up the zone, especially with all the big-body guys we have. If we can get drives moving, tempo will be huge for us. I love seeing the RB motion out into 5 WR sets on the tempo plays.. we can create a lot of mismatches that way without allowing the defense to adjust.

The other key will be the RPO/run game. Hopefully UF saw enough on the Utah State film to make them respect the run game, because Burrow will burn LBs if they bite on the RPO or play action. Nothing I’d like to see more than Chase in open space, 1-on-1 vs. a safety. Ultimately I think we are going to have to prove we can run the ball in this game to really get the offense clicking, but we shall see.

Posted by Howyouluhdat

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:28 pm to Penrod

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This is not really true. If a good defense is getting good pressure with four there is no strategy to beat them. The only way to beat that defense is with superstar performances at QB or WR.

What? No you run 4 and 5 wide sets to get guys in between the zone which is most likely what a 7 man drop is going into. I’ve seen Burrow fit balls in zones plenty of times this year. If he needs to get the ball out quick you can throw some balls into the flats,WR screens, and TE curls. There’s ways to counter that and I have confidence in Brady to make that happen. If our O-line can’t block four with five we have major problems upfront. Yea UF May get some pressure from time to time with no blitzing but they won’t do it consistently. This is the healthiest the o-line has been all year

This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 8:28 pm

Posted by redfishfan

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Posted on 10/9/19 at 8:30 pm to Howyouluhdat

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You act like that’s easy to do. First of all you have to have smart and fast/talented OLB to do that successfully

Lol no. It’s legit how any OLB/safety type that plays in the run game reads keys. HS OLBs can do this. It’s not hard. This is of course only in some coverage. Man coverage they likely have no run fit. As I posted earlier this is why the RPO is so successful. You make his read wrong everytime if you do it right. It creates numbers in the run or pass depending on the what that read guy does.