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re: Finebaum on Scott Van Pelt Show (ESPN 104.5)
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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in other words, heads you win, tails i lose. No matter what he calls it will be wrong unless it works. you get to judge knowing the results, he doesn't have that option when calling the play and it is not as if we had no success running the ball vs alabama.
This is what is wrong with our fanbase. They are horribly inconsistent and use hindsight to criticize our football team.
In 2012 LSU was easily just as deserving of the NC as Bama as they beat a harder schedule, split games with Bama, and won the conference championship. The only reason Bama even got into the championship was because pillars manipulated the system and broke precedence. Did fall within the actual rules of the BCS? Yes and Bama should have the trophy, but it was an obvious example of preferential treatment for no reason.
Also the failures of this past season's game were mainly on the fact Alleman wasn't dependable, Copeland made one of the most bonehead plays of the season, and the defense played horribly at the end of the two halves. Miles biggest mistake was the fake field goal as it was just a horrible call. Really the long field goal the time was so low at the end of the first half that Miles put faith in his defense they could prevent Bama's offense from marching straight down the field in so little time. I do personally felt that drive was completely aided by one of the worst missed calls of the game; however, as Minter gets spun around by what appears to be an obvious hold on the big screen play. Right in front of the ref also. Then they went for what should have been a confident field goal at the end of the game which Alleman just missed. Honestly Miles did exactly what I would have expected Saban to possibly do on offense in those two LSU possession at the end of each half.
As I said before LSU has nothing to be ashamed of the past several seasons. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging Saban is the better coach even though Miles is also a great one. Saban has also caught the break over the last several seasons too with avoiding too many injuries, easier schedules, and a little help in the polls. That just makes the best coach in the country who already has an edge in his personal coaching talent that much harder to be defeated by his peers.
Also just so everyone understands LSU had a a 5 week period where they played 4 top 9 teams. That Is a rough stretch that no one else was having to deal with and we were a team still maturing and battling injuries.
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:39 pm to Tiger79
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The truth is LSU was lucky to win at Bama last year. they missed 4 field goals. It hate it but it's true.
No, it's not true. Bama is the best program - no doubt. But don't try to take credit away from what LSU did last year when they got the W in the regular season. Let me cut and paste here:
That's a MYTH that LSU was lucky. LSU was the better team that night. LSU made the plays. Bama didn't have a great kicker and they missed a 52-yarder in OT, a 50, 49 and 44-yarder. One of those was blocked and the only realistic shot they had was the 44-yarder (on the first drive). Even that was just a shot with their kicker.
LSU outrushed them by 50+ yards and you know that is the key to beating Bama. LSU stuffed the Bama ground attack as the game went on and held them to under 100 rushing for the game (their backs averaged just 3+ per carry).
Hell, Bama only outgained LSU by just over 50+ yards. There was less than a one-minute difference in possession time.
LSU reached the Bama red zone three times to Bama's one time at the LSU 17. LSU almost scored a TD before half, but had to kick a FG on 3rd down because of the time.
And Bama was getting driven back in OT - that's why they had to kick a prayer. They were lucky Ford stepped out because he had a free ride to the end zone. LSU earned that W!
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:42 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Preach it brotha. I was there. To those looking to discredit the lsu, or overvalue the bama loss, bama outplayed lsu. To realists, it was a hard fought, evenly matched game where they had some succes early but failrd. We had success a little more towards the end. We outplayed them in the trenches and in crunch time. Great win. But it didn't matter necause espn made everyone think we were lucky to win so bama DESERVED the rematch.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:42 pm to Tiger79
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The truth is LSU was lucky to win at Bama last year. they missed 4 field goals.
I agree. LSU got lucky that our defense was so good that Saban was forced to attempt long-range field goals despite knowing that his kicker didn't have the range to make them (because Saban isn't exactly known for placing as much importance on special teams players/specialists as some other coaches we know). I hate it, but it's true.
I'm as critical of our gameplans our last two vs. Bama, but this unwillingness to give CLM ANY credit whatsoever is ridiculous...when Bama wins it's because Saban is a God, and when Bama loses to LSU, it's because LSU got 'lucky'.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:46 pm to rosiebean
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when Bama wins it's because Saban is a God, and when Bama loses to LSU, it's because LSU got 'lucky'.
just like we forced them into 5 field goals in the NC and they made 5 of 6. Point is our offense BLEW and they moved up and down the field on us. Our D was worn out both games. We were lucky to win the 1st one and reality took hold in the 3nd game.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:12 pm to Tiger79
Well the Bama D looked worn out in the November 6th meeting also. So I don't see the point in saying that LSU didn't deserve to win that game for that fact.
The National Championship was another animal completely. Yes the offense (including coaching staff) didn't show up to play at all in the game and is the reason we lost; however, there were other factors to that game.
Going into the game LSU went undefeated having gone through the most difficult schedule in probably college football history. They then got matched up against a team that precendence said shouldn't have even been there and a team they beat on the road. Going into the game college football had basically implied LSU was already the NC. While Bama was awarded the championship because they got a mulligan, won the rematch, and the manipulation still fell within the rules. I would expect the selection had an effect on the rematch whether anyone involved wants to admit it or not. Also I do not believe with names detached from resumes the situation would have ever occurred. I also don't think outside of a few names like Bama, USC, UT, and ND a team with LSU's resume would have gotten the benefit with a loss in the 11/6 game against Bama.
The National Championship was another animal completely. Yes the offense (including coaching staff) didn't show up to play at all in the game and is the reason we lost; however, there were other factors to that game.
Going into the game LSU went undefeated having gone through the most difficult schedule in probably college football history. They then got matched up against a team that precendence said shouldn't have even been there and a team they beat on the road. Going into the game college football had basically implied LSU was already the NC. While Bama was awarded the championship because they got a mulligan, won the rematch, and the manipulation still fell within the rules. I would expect the selection had an effect on the rematch whether anyone involved wants to admit it or not. Also I do not believe with names detached from resumes the situation would have ever occurred. I also don't think outside of a few names like Bama, USC, UT, and ND a team with LSU's resume would have gotten the benefit with a loss in the 11/6 game against Bama.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:28 pm to Tiger79
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just like we forced them into 5 field goals in the NC and they made 5 of 6. Point is our offense BLEW and they moved up and down the field on us. Our D was worn out both games. We were lucky to win the 1st one and reality took hold in the 3nd game.
Yes, we were lucky their field goal attempts in November where all long yardage, which their kicker had issues with.
Likewise, they were lucky their field goal attempts in the NC were, for the most part, much shorter and in a range their kicker was more comfortable with.
I fail to see how our offense sucking in the NC takes away the good things LSU did on November 6th to win...and, really, to imply that anyone can just waltz into Tuscaloosa and beat Nick Saban by getting 'lucky' is kind of an insult to the coaching abilities of Nick Saban.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:30 pm to The312
I can only attribute it to pride or laziness or sheer incompetence. History on the line, and you don't even show up.
HardHeadedness !!!! You forgot that one lol
HardHeadedness !!!! You forgot that one lol
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:32 pm to plance
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beating Saban for the second time in a row last year
Erm... third. 2010, 2011, 2012 bcsncg
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:39 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Going into the game LSU went undefeated having gone through the most difficult schedule in probably college football history.
Nope. It was a very good regular season showing, but not the best ever.
The rest of what you said is just a bunch of excuses for why we got embarrassed on a national stage. Yea, our poor team, having to play a team they already beat once. You'd think that would be a positive, knowing that you can beat another team, but apparently it's a crippling deficit that renders your offense unusable.
People who say "we shouldn't have had to play them again, it's not fair" are tacitly admitting that LSU was lucky to escape the first game with a win. Which means that a rematch makes more sense, not less sense.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:25 pm to rosiebean
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Yes, we were lucky their field goal attempts in November where all long yardage, which their kicker had issues with.
Likewise, they were lucky their field goal attempts in the NC were, for the most part, much shorter and in a range their kicker was more comfortable with.
I fail to see how our offense sucking in the NC takes away the good things LSU did on November 6th to win...and, really, to imply that anyone can just waltz into Tuscaloosa and beat Nick Saban by getting 'lucky' is kind of an insult to the coaching abilities of Nick Saban.
Are ya'll serious? It was luck they missed the FG's in Nov? How about, our defense didn't allow them the opportunity to try short ones? And on Jan 9th it wasn't luck they got down to our 20.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:26 pm to plance
We won't come close to beating them next year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:57 pm to nf
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People who say "we shouldn't have had to play them again, it's not fair" are tacitly admitting that LSU was lucky to escape the first game with a win. Which means that a rematch makes more sense, not less sense.
No it means the rest of the nation was banned from a national championship spot eventhough a more unbiased polling the computers said one of them deserved it.
The rematch really did nothing objectively to determine a champion. It was basically saying the team we wanted to win a tournament to get into the final didn't do it so we will manipulate the system to give that team a do over and eliminate any fairness to the system based off precedence. It would be one thing if you actually believe everyone gets that treatment, but they obviously do not.
Don't let your ridiculous hatred for Les Miles or whatever it is sway all of your objectivity and perspective.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:04 pm to Tiger79
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just like we forced them into 5 field goals in the NC and they made 5 of 6. Point is our offense BLEW and they moved up and down the field on us. Our D was worn out both games. We were lucky to win the 1st one and reality took hold in the 3nd game.
You're just lying now. If LSU's D was worn out, why did Bama only gain 103 yards in the 2nd half and overtime period combined? Why did Bama have to kick a 52-yard prayer in OT when play starts at the 25-yard line? If they gained nothing, a 42-yarder would have been the length of the FG. I believe Sam Montgomery sacked him on 3rd down in OT after we blitzed our corners in there. Yeah, we were really worn out.
Bama made a 20+ yard field goal, two 30+ yard field goals and two 40+ yard field goals in the NC game. None of the makes were 45 yards or over which were the majority of what their kicker missed the 1st time (other than the 44 yarder).
See, LSU's offense was effective enough in that 1st game to set their kicker up with field goals of 30 and under and he made all three. If Bama had done that, they might have won. But they didn't. They did much better the 2nd time around.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 9:08 pm
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