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re: Explain to me how Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:26 am to LSUTIGERS8181
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:26 am to LSUTIGERS8181
Consider me a convert from being a patience hopeful fan. This isn’t going to work. Get a dynamic, aggressive forward thinking OC or this program will fade further away from elite status. College football has changed and is continuing to evolve each year. LSU’s offense has not changed and shows no signs of willingness to do so. Such a pity.
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:27 am to LSUStar
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We'll see, but I have no reason to believe that 0 will ever beat the gumps. So, that means not West title, no SEC and so forth. What idiots could be happy with that? Yeah, that's right, the purblind 0 supporters. That's who.
Well said. My thoughts exactly.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:27 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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So you are admitting LSU football is fricked with Orgeron as the coach
No I think O was put in a shitty situation and has done a decent job. I think that it turned into a rebuild situation due to unforeseen issues. I also think that the cupboard wasn't quite as full as the average fan realized.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:27 am to Adajax
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I'm not a CEO apologist but that's utter bullcrap. That's the Larry Fedora argument and it doesn't wash
You honestly don't believe there were plenty of candidates, with better coaching resumes than Orgeron when he was hired?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:29 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
He’s a better version of everything that Miles is as a coach. He recognizes faults and has self awareness which does not exist in Miles. He is also aware of trends in the game which Miles has no interest in.
Better recruiting now, maybe not in ratings but in balanced depth.
I just hope he’s not loyal to Steve, as we have to be honest about it. Yes he’s an upgrade over what we were doing last year and 90% of Miles offenses but we need something better than play action to beat Bama.
Better recruiting now, maybe not in ratings but in balanced depth.
I just hope he’s not loyal to Steve, as we have to be honest about it. Yes he’s an upgrade over what we were doing last year and 90% of Miles offenses but we need something better than play action to beat Bama.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:29 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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You honestly don't believe there were plenty of candidates, with better coaching resumes than Orgeron when he was hired
How does this matter at this point?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:29 am to TaderSalad
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He's not cheaper than just paying Miles. Now, we're paying Miles and new HC.
We’re currently paying about $5.1M/yr to both, which I think is a little more than we were paying Miles annually
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:30 am to bencoleman
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No I think O was put in a shitty situation and has done a decent job. I think that it turned into a rebuild situation due to unforeseen issues. I also think that the cupboard wasn't quite as full as the average fan realized
How is a rebuilding team 8-2, ranked in the top 10, and has wins over multiple highly ranked teams?
The bottom line is that there is the talent on this team to get the job done. If this offense was somewhat competently ran, LSU would be damn near impossible to beat. The defense will keep LSU in every single game, with anybody, IF the offense half arse does it's job. That falls on coaching, not talent.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:31 am
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:30 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Explain to me how Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles.
Well it’s obvious that O should have never been a possibility for this top 5-10 program.
LSU went cheap, Alleva is an idiot. I will not blame coach O for going out and getting a job, I hope O succeeds!
LSU seems to be completely ok with 2nd or 3rd in the sec. they are not seeking excellence.
O is losing me though, with the offensive decisions. He lied to all of us by saying SE is the best OC out there. The offense started different but as the season progress, we look more and more like Miles, which we tried to distance ourselves from.
We are recruiting QB’s the same way as miles did, everything miles should be gone from the team on offense!!
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:39 am
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:30 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Orgeron was hired for continuity purposes
and it seems like the hire is meeting the objective from the offensive side of the ball
and it seems like the hire is meeting the objective from the offensive side of the ball
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:33 am to bencoleman
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How does this matter at this point?
It doesn't, but I was responding to another poster who suggested that Orgeron was the only coach LSU could get for under 100 million dollars.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:38 am
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:34 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Miles used to lose to Arky.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:35 am to The Egg
All I know is that that win pissed me off just like some of the Les Miles wins pissed me off!
That type of game plan just sucks. I'm an O fan but if this is what he wants for this team I'm not for him!
When we lose aranda and we will probably lose him it will be ole miss and us as bottom feeders in the SEC!
That type of game plan just sucks. I'm an O fan but if this is what he wants for this team I'm not for him!
When we lose aranda and we will probably lose him it will be ole miss and us as bottom feeders in the SEC!
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:36 am to tibebecolston
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He recognizes faults and has self awareness which does not exist in Miles. He is also aware of trends in the game which Miles has no interest in.
What in the world suggest to you that he recognizes faults and is willing to make changes? And what about this offense suggest he is aware of trends in the game?
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I just hope he’s not loyal to Steve, as we have to be honest about it.
Even if he gets rid of him after this season, it will be 2 OCs that he hired that he had to fire in consecutive years. The offense is a poor reflection on him, and having to fire Ensminger is also a poor reflection on him. He is in a lose lose situation.
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Yes he’s an upgrade over what we were doing last year and 90% of Miles offenses
That's debateable, and the statistics don't support your statement.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:36 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
In the last 30 LSU football games he hasn’t proven to be an upgrade over what we had in anyway, shape, or form. Thing is, he just isn’t Miles and that appears to have been JA’s main objective. Joe said a number of times that we needed an offense of upgrade. I don’t think there are many others who would dispute that statement. Problem was, hiring a D line coach to upgrade your offense is a, “what the frick moment.”I think that’s been proven out by the fact that 10 games into this season, we have the 12 best offense in the SEC.
All we can hope is that somehow, someway lightning strikes on the offensive side of the ball.
All we can hope is that somehow, someway lightning strikes on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:39 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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You honestly don't believe there were plenty of candidates, with better coaching resumes than Orgeron when
That would have come here? Can you name a few? Fedora? Fleck?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:40 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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How is a rebuilding team 8-2, ranked in the top 10, and has wins over multiple highly ranked teams?
The bottom line is that there is the talent on this team to get the job done. If this offense was somewhat competently ran, LSU would be
Half the offensive linemen were processed or quit when O took over which immediately created depth and talent issues.
Why do you ignore that? Could it be that you might have to back off some of the O hate if you acknowledged that fact so you and others choose to ignore it.
Some games last year the defensive line played every down without a substitution How does that not indicate depth issues to you?
To say that the the team wasn't depleted of talent isn't being honest.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:43 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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It doesn't, but I was responding to another poster who suggested that Orgeron was the only coach LSU could get for under 100 million dollars.
Not true. I said there weren't 20-30. You still haven't named one.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:46 am to bencoleman
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Half the offensive linemen were processed or quit when O took over which immediately created depth and talent issues.
But you guys told us that Orgeron fixed the depth issues on both lines this season. So, which is it? And how much time exactly does he need?
LSU probably has a more talented OLine than 75% of the rest of college football. They aren't struggling nearly as much as this offense is. LSU plays better defenses for sure, but that doesn't explain Southeastern, LA Tech and Arkansas.
If Arkansas would have been able to stop the run at all, they would have easily won last night.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:47 am to Adajax
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Not true. I said there weren't 20-30. You still haven't named one
What's the point? That isn't the topic of this thread.
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