re: Explain to me how Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles.

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And you may not agree with it but the fact is Miles did not get fired bc we thought we would have an immediate upgrade, he got fired because we knew we would never see a change and people don't get excited about being second best every year fanbases get excited about the legitimate chance at being the very best in a few years

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Then why did we hire Orgeron?

He's the one who said the goal was to have a championship program "very fast".

stud gets alot of flack but i liked him he is back with CUm now at OSU

i was talking about as o line coach

but yeah he was not bad running miles' offense especially very efficient in 2011

This is such a solid post, it needs to be added here.

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THE GOOD 
-Turnovers Lost (ranked 9th nationally, 1st SEC) 
-Time of Possession (ranked 30th nationally, 2nd SEC) 
-4th down conversions (ranked 9th nationally, 1st SEC) 
-Field goals made (ranked 2nd nationally, 1st SEC) 


THE BAD 
-Scoring Offense (ranked 86th nationally, 8th SEC) 
-Rushing offense (ranked 63rd nationally, 9th SEC) 
-First downs (ranked 86th nationally, 9th SEC) 
-3rd down conversions (ranked 98th nationally, 11th SEC) 
-Overall Red zone scoring % (ranked 53rd nationally, 8th SEC) 
-10+ yard rushing plays (ranked 63rd nationally, 9th SEC) 


THE UGLY 
-Red zone TD % (ranked 129th nationally, LAST in SEC) 
-Total offense (ranked 104th nationally, 11th SEC) 
-Passing offense (ranked 101st nationally, 12th SEC) 
-Sacks allowed (ranked 98th nationally, 13th SEC) 
-10+ yard plays (ranked 113th nationally, LAST in SEC) 
-10+ yard pass plays (ranked 111th nationally, 13th SEC) 

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To my eyes, the current Tigers are among the best-coached teams around. Penalties and busted plays are down, kicking/special teams play has gone from poor to great, turnover margin may lead nation. Game and clock management angst has disappeared from discussion. Record has exceeded preseason forecast. Only a handful of teams doing better and they'll all be in the playoffs. What is lacking, hopefully to no one's surprise, is superior or Sunday-caliber talent on the offense. The line is mediocre and the skill guys are pedestrian. They're probably getting close to the most out of what they have and who they are. Miles' later teams had better physical material that suffered from poor grooming. These aren't things I know, just what I've seen.

I'm no coach and many of you on here can analyze the plays called and what did or didn't happen on every play. For me I enjoy the entertainment of the game.

But I think I can tell the differences in the attitude of a team. As Saban is the example of what most coaches would like to emulate, I don't see that same fire in Coach O and Steve E. Saban wants and gets 60 minutes of football whether the starting unit is in or the reserves or in. Surely that attitude is picked up by the players.

I'm sure there's more to the current play than just the attitude but for me it's a big issue. I wished we could have gotten more proven coaches at HC and OC but I supported both of them until this last game.

While I was never a star in the game, the philosophy was to play for 60 minutes whether it was 60 to 0 and no matter whether it was the starting unit or the reserves. Maybe it's just me? I'll just go back to reading!

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To my eyes, the current Tigers are among the best-coached teams around

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I'm pretty sure you are blind then.

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and yet he only scored 9 pts in 8+ qtrs with probably our best team ever

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Which was good enough for a win in Tuscaloosa. But cling on to your two home shut outs against them. We comin!

Has a Cajun accent ? Better clock management?