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re: Excitement Level Now vs 2012-2016
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:39 pm to BayouBengals18
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:39 pm to BayouBengals18
quote:This is exactly how I feel.
No matter how much I still hate the O hire and don't think he's going to bring us back to elite status, I would never cheer against LSU. Yeah, losing to Auburn pushed Les out, but it also gave an unqualified failure of a HC a chance to take someone else's structure, put a fresh coat of paint on it, and sell the former person's product. I wanted Les out just as much as the next guy, but firing him mid season last year might cost us a lot more than hanging onto him until the end of the season would have
The worst part is that the same coonasses who insisted we hire O will make excuse after excuse for him. Nothing will ever be his fault. It will be the refs, players, fans, etc. It will be a lot like Miles excuse making, only worse, because "he talk like us."
I can see the recruiting getting worse and worse until we are fully Archer-ized. A lot of people don't believe it because we've had it good for so long, but no matter who LSU gets, they're going to be coached by O/ Aranda will eventually move on because that's what young, good coaches to in any program, and then we'll see how mediocre O really is.
With perhaps a side order of NCAA sanctions.
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:42 pm to blueboy
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It will be the refs, players, fans, etc.
Don't forget the position coaches and coordinators, because O lets them coach and doesn't meddle.
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With perhaps a side order of NCAA sanctions.
This is another thing... When O was at SC, Tenn and OM, every LSU fan thought he was the dirtiest recruiter in the country. More dirty than Trooper Taylor. But, now he's at LSU and there are no worries, and they never said that.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:48 pm to LSU Groupee
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Lee had a career passing efficiency against Alabama of like 60. His last game against them was just as bad as his first game against them.
Going into the Bama game in 2011, Lee was 2nd in the nation in passing efficiency. His marks against Saban's defenses weren't great, but he had made strides since 2008.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:56 pm to zoom
What? I know zero people who thought Oregon would beat us
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:59 pm to zoom
The day Jefferson was suspended I was packing my bags for my annual Vegas trip. I put $1000 on LSU to take the over on wins. We knew Jefferson was not the answer so bringing in Lee meant we had life again. A chance. I drove up to Dallas thinking we would beat Oregon due to our defense. I had no clue we would destroy them but I don't remember anyone thinking we might lose. You hung out with some dumb people it sounds like.
Also, I don't love the Orgeron hire. It was lazy, convienient, and clearly not the best coach available. But it's who we got and until he pulls a Hallman or Dinardo I'm behind him. He learned through his mistakes I think and seems to have a good cast around him. Canada is just another OC to me. I'm not getting excited about any OC ever again after the past decade of false hope. But I think he is a good coach who has bounced around a LOT in his career without ever finding a home. If he succeeds he leaves on his own. If he doesn't he probably leaves with Orgeron. Arranda isn't sticking around more than a few years most likely if he continues to do well. Replacing successful coordinators and continuing to recruit at a high level is Orgerons job. You gotta give him that chance.
Also, I don't love the Orgeron hire. It was lazy, convienient, and clearly not the best coach available. But it's who we got and until he pulls a Hallman or Dinardo I'm behind him. He learned through his mistakes I think and seems to have a good cast around him. Canada is just another OC to me. I'm not getting excited about any OC ever again after the past decade of false hope. But I think he is a good coach who has bounced around a LOT in his career without ever finding a home. If he succeeds he leaves on his own. If he doesn't he probably leaves with Orgeron. Arranda isn't sticking around more than a few years most likely if he continues to do well. Replacing successful coordinators and continuing to recruit at a high level is Orgerons job. You gotta give him that chance.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:00 pm to LSU Groupee
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Any LSU fan who cheers for LSU players to lose after all the effort they give to LSU is a D-bag and they smell no matter how much perfume they apply.
I'm not cheering against the players - they give their all and I fully appreciate that. I'm against the coach - if that coach is clearly not the long term solution. It was that way with Miles, and with Jones too. And with Cholly Mac and Curley, a couple decades ago.
Now I'm not thrilled with the O hire, but will give him a chance since he's now locked in.
But after we lost to Wisconsin, with that same disaster of an offense, I knew the season was likely lost, so losing to Auburn didn't bother me a bit, since it got us to the resolution of the Miles situation sooner rather than later.
But to believe that I have to hope for LSU to win in every conceivable situation is simply naive. Again, short term pain for the long term betterment of the program.
Got to look beyond the next few months, kids.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:00 pm to TheHarahanian
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His marks against Saban's defenses weren't great,
They were terrible, but he did improve against less talented defenses.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:08 pm to BayouBengals18
quote:That's the paradox of stupid coonass-dom. One the one had, you have "all he needs is good assistants" and on the other you'll have "the assistants are getting out of O's control."
Don't forget the position coaches and coordinators, because O lets them coach and doesn't meddle.
quote:Obviously. This is my #1 worry. I don't worry that LSU won't be able to win championships. I'm so certain that they won't that I don't have to worry about it.
When O was at SC, Tenn and OM, every LSU fan thought he was the dirtiest recruiter in the country. More dirty than Trooper Taylor. But, now he's at LSU and there are no worries, and they never said that.
Seriously, when they hired him, I was just as deflated as I was on 1/10. If he wasn't a coonass, he's not the coach. Period. I'd ask "how stupid are you people" but then I remember that these same people elected Clay Higgins to Congress.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:13 pm to blueboy
I wouldn't say this has a heightened "excitement level". I'd say it has more anticipation.
In the last few years, I pretty much knew our offense would be an eyesore and it made entering the season more one of " here this shite comes again" than anything else.
Of course, I don't know. This year's offense could blow too.
But, that's the point. It's nice not to know.
In the last few years, I pretty much knew our offense would be an eyesore and it made entering the season more one of " here this shite comes again" than anything else.
Of course, I don't know. This year's offense could blow too.
But, that's the point. It's nice not to know.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:31 pm to atltiger6487
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I'm against the coach
Thing is, you had a successful coach and a mediocre AD. When you pulled for the coach to lose, you were pulling for that mediocre AD to be put in charge of replacing that successful coach with a better coach. How did that work out for you?
You don't fire a successful coach unless you are damn sure the guy you hire has been as successful or more successful. Alleva has already fricked that up and that's why your wanting Les gone so bad was foolish.
The fact lots are now suggesting eight or nine wins is acceptable for this staff shows the degree to which we have down graded the head coaching at LSU.
10-2 regular season is my pick. I don't think the real problems start for a year or so.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:40 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I do expect the offensive scheme to be better, but the injuries on the line take a lot of the wind out of that, as does having a forgettable QB. Guice is a great talent, but see above.
But, that's the point. It's nice not to know
I also wish we had more good WR's. maybe we do and they just aren't proven. Hopefully, our sucky QB can get the ball to them.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:41 pm to LSU Groupee
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You don't fire a successful coach unless you are damn sure the guy you hire has been as successful or more successful.
Successful coach? Not the last 3+ years, when Les went 15-11 in the SEC, 10-10 against the West.
But I do agree with you about our AD. He shite the bed with the "search."
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:47 pm to blueboy
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Seriously, when they hired him, I was just as deflated as I was on 1/10.
I was apathetic on 1/10. I was fricking pissed the Sunday after Thanksgiving. LSU had a chance to go out and get someone that could challenge Saban, and they hired the worst HC Ole Miss has ever had.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:48 pm to atltiger6487
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Successful coach? Not the last 3+ years, when Les went 15-11 in the SEC, 10-10 against the West.
How many teams in the conference were better?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:55 pm to Clark W Griswold
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I know we are probably a 9-3 team give or take 1 either way
So we fired Miles for being 9-3, 10-2 or 8-4 the last few years, yet we still have this expectation?
What the frick was the point of firing him then?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:56 pm to BayouBengals18
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when Les went 15-11 in the SEC, 10-10 against the West. How many teams in the conference were better?
SHUT IT... Les FAILED the last three years.................
NOW we may only go 5-3 this year... But that's on the AD..........
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:57 pm to BayouBengals18
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Successful coach? Not the last 3+ years, when Les went 15-11 in the SEC, 10-10 against the West.
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How many teams in the conference were better?
So you're fine with that record? Just freaking wow.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:59 pm to higgins
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1/9/12
Insanity
Posted on 8/6/17 at 5:20 pm to atltiger6487
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Successful coach? Not the last 3
From 2013-2015, the last three full years under Les, LSU had a 71% winning percentage which ranked top 15 in the nation in power 5 football and second only to Alabama among SEC schools.
Have we become so entitled and anti LSU that the second best winning percentage overall in the SEC cant even be called "successful"?
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He shite the bed with the "search
Les allowed the program to drop off, but I was scared shitless to have Alleva do the search. With good reason as it turned out.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 5:32 pm to Clark W Griswold
Sky high. Win, lose or draw
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