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re: Everyone I talked still involved in the game, from officials to replay officials said TD
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
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it is not in the split second we are talking about
Yes it is. Granted its on the edge of the ball, but at the same time it is pinned up against his body.
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Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:47 am to TutHillTiger
Has it been appealed, or any other protest calls from LSU been made?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:51 am to PurpleandGeauld
quote:Yes he does if he was in the act of falling as he was making the catch
he DOES NOT have to "survive the ground."
Dez Bryan took like 5 steps and it still didn’t matter because he was in the act of falling.
You could have clear control of the ball for 5 full seconds, but if you are stumbling/falling the entire time you still have to survive the ground. Thats how stupid the rule is
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:55 am to lsupride87
Are you just making up a rule? The issue is the establishment of possession. Once possession is established, all the "surviving the ground" shite goes out the window. The SEC is going to say that he hadn't established possession. Everyone who watched it felt like he clearly did. That's it. There's nothing else to discuss.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:56 am to jawnybnsc
quote:No, that isn’t how it works at all. You could have clear possession for as long as imaginable, and it’s still incomplete if you were in the act of falling during that time period and the ball comes loose while you hit the ground
Once possession is established, all the "surviving the ground" shite goes out the window
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 9:58 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:56 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Yes it is. Granted its on the edge of the ball, but at the same time it is pinned up against his body.
IRRELEVANT
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:58 am to lsupride87
Dude?!!! So, a receiver catches the ball, runs 20 yards up the field, stumbles and loses the ball when he hits the ground. That's an incomplete pass?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:59 am to jawnybnsc
quote:Uh, no. Because he wasn’t falling(or stumbling) as he was making the catch….That happens AFTER possession during your example
Dude?!!! So, a receiver catches the ball, runs 20 yards up the field
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:00 am to jawnybnsc
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Once possession is established, all the "surviving the ground" shite goes out the window.
Wrong
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To catch a ball means that a player:
Secures control of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and
Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then
Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent, etc., and
Satisfies paragraphs b, c, and d below.
If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent) he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. This is also required for a player attempting to make a catch at the sideline and going to the ground out of bounds. If he loses control of the ball which then touches the ground before he regains control, it is not a catch. If he regains control inbounds prior to the ball touching the ground it is a catch.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:00 am to Mickey Goldmill
what no one, especially Fun Bunch, seems to want to acknowledge is that the debate is not about it being a completed catch to the ground. The debate is around there being a catch and a football move. There was a play in the UNC game last night where a TE got destroyed as he caught a pass, went limp to the ground as the ball fell from his hands, and he landed on top the ball. The call on the field was catch, football move, fumble, and recovery. First down. People have already referenced the Sharp fumble and I've pointed to the Lance Moore 2pt conversion in Superbowl XLIV. Lets not pretend this call is clear cut incomplete, especially since most of the sports media agrees it should have been 6.
But the case for a football move is pretty simple. Brown makes a clean one handed catch with a foot down, and if you watch closely you'll see him bring his other hand over to secure the ball as he takes a second step and lunges for the pilon. That's a football move. And even if it weren't, there are shades of grey when it comes to ball movement caused by the ground. It amounts to a subjective judgement call, so at minimum, it should not have been overturned because the irrefutable evidence required to overturn simply wasn't there.
But the case for a football move is pretty simple. Brown makes a clean one handed catch with a foot down, and if you watch closely you'll see him bring his other hand over to secure the ball as he takes a second step and lunges for the pilon. That's a football move. And even if it weren't, there are shades of grey when it comes to ball movement caused by the ground. It amounts to a subjective judgement call, so at minimum, it should not have been overturned because the irrefutable evidence required to overturn simply wasn't there.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:01 am to jawnybnsc
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Dude?!!! So, a receiver catches the ball, runs 20 yards up the field,
No, he has now made a football move and established possession and control
That did not happen on the play in question.
One foot in bounds while going to the ground, other foot out of bounds while going to the ground, goes to ground, loses control
Not a catch per this stupid asinine rule
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:01 am to Vacherie Saint
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. The debate is around there being a catch and a football move.
Sure, whether there is a football move or not is a key question
I don't see one on any replay
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:02 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Dude it doesn’t matter since he was falling as he was making the catch . The football move part is irrelevant due to the fact possession was gained as he was falling . The ref would have to see a clear football move before the falling act. I don’t see that
But the case for a football move is pretty simple. Brown makes a clean one handed catch with a foot down, and if you watch closely you'll see him bring his other hand over to secure the ball as he takes a second step and lunges for the pilon. That's a football move.
My main issue is how was this ruled incomplete and not Sharps play. He was just as much in the act of falling as brown as he only had one step as he was moving
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:04 am to Vacherie Saint
Your argument is that putting his hand under the ball WHILE falling for a a tenth of a second is a "football move"?
Tough one.
IF that is your argument, could you see why, watching below, the rules official would NOT consider that football move? Wouldn't you say that it is so small that someone could see it a different way?
Tough one.
IF that is your argument, could you see why, watching below, the rules official would NOT consider that football move? Wouldn't you say that it is so small that someone could see it a different way?
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anyone arguing that wasn’t a TD is simply a contrarian with an itch for attention.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:05 am to Fun Bunch
The ruling on the field was a completed catch, so you have to have irrefutable evidence to not only eliminate the football move, but judge the ball movement excessive to overturn - both subjective. This is why most "experts" have said it was a bad call.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:07 am to lsupride87
He took an additional step, secured the ball with his other hand, and dove at the pilon. This is a fact. The only debate on that is whether a NCAA official considers that a football move.
Go look at the big hit on the UNC TE last night. That was ruled a football move and he did less than Brown.
Go look at the big hit on the UNC TE last night. That was ruled a football move and he did less than Brown.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:08 am to Vacherie Saint
Because "experts" and analysts are always talking about what a catch is to them, not within the confines of the rule. The rule has always been controversial and people hate it.
In this case it is clear that no football move was made and that he loses control. I saw it on the very first replay.
They saw it from multiple angles and overturned it.
Why do you give more weight to people that are no longer employed as rules officials vs the ones that actually are?
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so you have to have irrefutable evidence to not only eliminate the football move, but judge the ball movement excessive to overturn - both subjective
In this case it is clear that no football move was made and that he loses control. I saw it on the very first replay.
They saw it from multiple angles and overturned it.
Why do you give more weight to people that are no longer employed as rules officials vs the ones that actually are?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:09 am to Vacherie Saint
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He took an additional step,
Out of bounds.
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secured the ball with his other hand
Nah, he secured it with one hand, one hand comes up and pats his other hand for a tenth of a second
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and dove at the pilon
Nah, he falls, there's no dive involved
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:10 am to lsupride87
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Dez Bryan took like 5 steps and it still didn’t matter because he was in the act of falling.
I don't remember the Dez Bryant play. Did he cross the goal line?
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