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re: Everybody else is grading the coaching staff. What are your grades.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:34 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:34 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
For the regular season:
Coach O—C+
Coach E—D
Coach A—B
Coach O produced a 3 L team which is exactly what we had 3 yrs ago. Coach E had the 78th ranked O which is worse than what a fired OC had produced the yr he was fired. Coach A had worse D than we had last yr.
Coach O—C+
Coach E—D
Coach A—B
Coach O produced a 3 L team which is exactly what we had 3 yrs ago. Coach E had the 78th ranked O which is worse than what a fired OC had produced the yr he was fired. Coach A had worse D than we had last yr.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:39 am to bencoleman
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If he's mad at the chickenshit army I'm sure that it's well placed and justified
You make this board so much fun Ben.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:48 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
WR Jerry Sullivan/Mickey Joseph: F
Too many dropped balls & weird substitution patterns that led to no glaring growth by any one player over the course of the season in our WR corps. At many times in the season a WR would make a great play for a TD, and they wouldn't be brought out to start the next offensive drive. Wut.
RB Tommie Robinson: B-
With the talent we had there and other injuries on offense, I think Robinson and the RBs did a good job this year. The RBs were able to ice games against Miami, UGA, and later in the season vs ARK. I think more rushing attempts could have won the FL game as well. Not bad for the worst RB talent at LSU in years, if not decades.
OL James Cregg: A-
Had you told me at the start of the year we would lose Ingram and then be forced to start 9 other offensive lineman during the season, I surely wouldnt have said we would win 9 games. Four different LT started games, 3 different RTs. SR leader Brumfield in and out, playing hurt at times. He gets the minus because down the stretch they were able to get some guys healthy, but the cohesiveness was spotty.
OC Ensminger: C-
At the beginning of the season I thought Ensminger was building each game on the plays he was calling. There were other times were the play calls were good, but the OL broke down, or the WR dropped a ball, or RB missed a hole. He'll get blame on that from fans, but big picture, im interested if he can scheme good plays.
The blandness started about the Miss St game, and everything shut down. I understand that was the gameplan vs Miss St, and it worked. But it carried over into Alabama and in to ARK. i thought A&M was fine, but outside the the referees, the game was lost in that OT where he ran Burrow 3x from the 6yd line knowing we could win with a TD.
DEF
S Bill Busch: A
Busch came in this year with wanting the DBS to create more turnovers, and boy did he do that. Our safeties alone netted 9 INTs. You saw Delpit take the next step as a CFB player, and even a guy like Todd Harris make strides as the season went on. His INT vs Bama was one of the best of the year. John Battle may end up getting drafted based on his tape from this year. Also Busch played a huge part in landing Joe Burrow.
DB Corey Raymond: A
A lot of the same came be said for Raymond. You lose two CBs to the NFL draft last year and you do not miss a beat. This was easily the best unit on the team, with Greedy and Delpit garnering All America honors. Kristian Fulton's development should not be understated. Raymond will earn his money come the bowl game.
DL MeatBall Johnson/Coach O: C+
This unit was slightly disappointing in the sense that they were not as disruptive as we had all hoped. Lawrence & Fehoko both flashed at times, but were inconsistent. On the other hand, the development of Glen Logan, Ed Alexander, and Neil Farrell are things they can be proud of. With no legit pass rusher after Chaisson went down, opposing teams were able to focus that much more on blocking the DL.
DC Aranda: B+
Overall, without our defense, we don't win many games this year. The defense all year made opportune plays and created turnovers to put our offense in good position to get points. Many new players saw a jump in development, putting us in great position for next year. My one knock on Aranda was last year he was able to create more pressure with lesser players.
SP McMahon: B+
Kudos to McMahon for pursuing Cole Tracy, our FG unit was as good as it has been during my time as an LSU fan. Coverage teams were awesome on both sides. Punting game was well prepared. Von Rosenberg showed a jump in productivity under Mac's watch. The one knock is the Punt returns. And i think in the end, they just didn't trust anyone else to catch balls other than Giles. Who was good all year outside of that one fumble vs A&M.
Coach O: B
If you got this far and read all the other blurbs, then O gets kudos for all things above, and all the critiques fall under his umbrella too. The dual WR coach thing was a failure. Offensive play calling regressed as the season went on. McMahon, Busch and Cregg were really solid hires by him. Recruiting is churning, and he was able to develop a bunch of players ready to contribute next year. You'd like to come away with W's in the close games we lost, but the team competed hard all year, and specifically in these instances, against good teams on the road.
For a team picked to finished 5th in the West...For a coach who was already out of the door by some in the media.....for a team that had the worst talent of any LSU team since Saban's early days...For a coach that the fans said he couldnt beat good teams, and only lost to shitty teams....Not too shabby.
Too many dropped balls & weird substitution patterns that led to no glaring growth by any one player over the course of the season in our WR corps. At many times in the season a WR would make a great play for a TD, and they wouldn't be brought out to start the next offensive drive. Wut.
RB Tommie Robinson: B-
With the talent we had there and other injuries on offense, I think Robinson and the RBs did a good job this year. The RBs were able to ice games against Miami, UGA, and later in the season vs ARK. I think more rushing attempts could have won the FL game as well. Not bad for the worst RB talent at LSU in years, if not decades.
OL James Cregg: A-
Had you told me at the start of the year we would lose Ingram and then be forced to start 9 other offensive lineman during the season, I surely wouldnt have said we would win 9 games. Four different LT started games, 3 different RTs. SR leader Brumfield in and out, playing hurt at times. He gets the minus because down the stretch they were able to get some guys healthy, but the cohesiveness was spotty.
OC Ensminger: C-
At the beginning of the season I thought Ensminger was building each game on the plays he was calling. There were other times were the play calls were good, but the OL broke down, or the WR dropped a ball, or RB missed a hole. He'll get blame on that from fans, but big picture, im interested if he can scheme good plays.
The blandness started about the Miss St game, and everything shut down. I understand that was the gameplan vs Miss St, and it worked. But it carried over into Alabama and in to ARK. i thought A&M was fine, but outside the the referees, the game was lost in that OT where he ran Burrow 3x from the 6yd line knowing we could win with a TD.
DEF
S Bill Busch: A
Busch came in this year with wanting the DBS to create more turnovers, and boy did he do that. Our safeties alone netted 9 INTs. You saw Delpit take the next step as a CFB player, and even a guy like Todd Harris make strides as the season went on. His INT vs Bama was one of the best of the year. John Battle may end up getting drafted based on his tape from this year. Also Busch played a huge part in landing Joe Burrow.
DB Corey Raymond: A
A lot of the same came be said for Raymond. You lose two CBs to the NFL draft last year and you do not miss a beat. This was easily the best unit on the team, with Greedy and Delpit garnering All America honors. Kristian Fulton's development should not be understated. Raymond will earn his money come the bowl game.
DL MeatBall Johnson/Coach O: C+
This unit was slightly disappointing in the sense that they were not as disruptive as we had all hoped. Lawrence & Fehoko both flashed at times, but were inconsistent. On the other hand, the development of Glen Logan, Ed Alexander, and Neil Farrell are things they can be proud of. With no legit pass rusher after Chaisson went down, opposing teams were able to focus that much more on blocking the DL.
DC Aranda: B+
Overall, without our defense, we don't win many games this year. The defense all year made opportune plays and created turnovers to put our offense in good position to get points. Many new players saw a jump in development, putting us in great position for next year. My one knock on Aranda was last year he was able to create more pressure with lesser players.
SP McMahon: B+
Kudos to McMahon for pursuing Cole Tracy, our FG unit was as good as it has been during my time as an LSU fan. Coverage teams were awesome on both sides. Punting game was well prepared. Von Rosenberg showed a jump in productivity under Mac's watch. The one knock is the Punt returns. And i think in the end, they just didn't trust anyone else to catch balls other than Giles. Who was good all year outside of that one fumble vs A&M.
Coach O: B
If you got this far and read all the other blurbs, then O gets kudos for all things above, and all the critiques fall under his umbrella too. The dual WR coach thing was a failure. Offensive play calling regressed as the season went on. McMahon, Busch and Cregg were really solid hires by him. Recruiting is churning, and he was able to develop a bunch of players ready to contribute next year. You'd like to come away with W's in the close games we lost, but the team competed hard all year, and specifically in these instances, against good teams on the road.
For a team picked to finished 5th in the West...For a coach who was already out of the door by some in the media.....for a team that had the worst talent of any LSU team since Saban's early days...For a coach that the fans said he couldnt beat good teams, and only lost to shitty teams....Not too shabby.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:56 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Aranda B+
Emsinger B
O B+
Special teams besides fg D
Referees D.
Emsinger B
O B+
Special teams besides fg D
Referees D.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:08 am to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
Pretty solid. I have to agree on the WRs coaches. Not sure what they did this year.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:12 am to Green Chili Tiger
Orgeron - B-
Ensminger - D
Aranda - A+
Cregg - C-
Sullivan - D-
Busch - A-
Johnson - D
Joseph - D
McMahon - D
Raymond - B
Robinson - C+
Moffit - D
Ponamsky - F-
Ensminger - D
Aranda - A+
Cregg - C-
Sullivan - D-
Busch - A-
Johnson - D
Joseph - D
McMahon - D
Raymond - B
Robinson - C+
Moffit - D
Ponamsky - F-
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:15 am to Green Chili Tiger
So basically Aranda and Raymond get passes for their losses on the year but Cregg, Steve, Ed O, Sullivan, Joseph and Robinson don't??
And giving McMahon a C is laughable. Without that dude we lose two more games, maybe more.
Ed O - B +
Aranda - C
Cregg - C -
Steve - E - C -
Sullivan - C -
Joseph - D +
Busch - B -
McMahon - A
Robinson - C -
Johnson - D -
Moffit - F
LSU lost some huge key pieces to the offense and defense but added some pieces on ST and at QB while brining in some help with depth and if Ed O wouldn't have made these moves, this team is likely 7-5 or worse. If you take away the loss of Chassion, Taylor, Narcisse, the OLman and TEs this team beats Florida and A&M.
This team has the starters to beat anyone and compete with Bama when healthy and playing. It's the quality of depth that we don't have behind those starters who happen to be ready to play. That takes some time to build and its vital that we don't skip years on the DL/QB/LB/OL spots. Most years LSU will have the WRs and RBs here to compete, plus those positions take minimum time to develop. These other positions take much more time and we need numbers. Not just any numbers but quality numbers.
If this staff fails to bring in quality DLman for 2019 it will set us back and if that makes the difference down the road, then he's not the HC this program needs. Recruiting is where it begins. We are doing well at 3/4 of the most vital areas of a team. He simply needs to get more DLman.
And giving McMahon a C is laughable. Without that dude we lose two more games, maybe more.
Ed O - B +
Aranda - C
Cregg - C -
Steve - E - C -
Sullivan - C -
Joseph - D +
Busch - B -
McMahon - A
Robinson - C -
Johnson - D -
Moffit - F
LSU lost some huge key pieces to the offense and defense but added some pieces on ST and at QB while brining in some help with depth and if Ed O wouldn't have made these moves, this team is likely 7-5 or worse. If you take away the loss of Chassion, Taylor, Narcisse, the OLman and TEs this team beats Florida and A&M.
This team has the starters to beat anyone and compete with Bama when healthy and playing. It's the quality of depth that we don't have behind those starters who happen to be ready to play. That takes some time to build and its vital that we don't skip years on the DL/QB/LB/OL spots. Most years LSU will have the WRs and RBs here to compete, plus those positions take minimum time to develop. These other positions take much more time and we need numbers. Not just any numbers but quality numbers.
If this staff fails to bring in quality DLman for 2019 it will set us back and if that makes the difference down the road, then he's not the HC this program needs. Recruiting is where it begins. We are doing well at 3/4 of the most vital areas of a team. He simply needs to get more DLman.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:38 pm to BayouBengal99
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Aranda - C
quote:
Steve - E - C
You expose yourself when you give Aranda the same grade as Ensminger.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:40 pm to Lakeboy7
Coach O= B
Aranda= A-
Ensminger= D-
Aranda= A-
Ensminger= D-
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:42 pm to BayouBengal99
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So basically Aranda and Raymond get passes for their losses on the year but Cregg, Steve, Ed O, Sullivan, Joseph and Robinson don't??
Can you expound on which losses were "their" losses? This should be good.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:45 pm to BayouBengal99
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So basically Aranda and Raymond get passes for their losses on the year
No need to give them a pass. At no point did we look lost or poorly coached in their areas of responsibility. 29th in Total Defense. 22nd in Scoring Defense. 36th in Defensive TDs. 11th in passes intercepted. 9th in passing defensive efficiency. 19th in Turnovers created.
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but Cregg, Steve, Ed O, Sullivan, Joseph and Robinson don't
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Cregg
Implemented a zone-blocking scheme. Failed to teach the linemen what their reads were on the scheme. 104th in the country in Sacks Allowed. 88th in Tackles for a Loss Allowed.
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Steve
77th in total offense and 44th in scoring offense. 67th in 3rd down percentage. If that's not a D grade I don't know what is.
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Sullivan
Passing game co-ordinator. 80th in Passing offense and have you seen us try and run a screen? 88th in completion percentage. 81st in Passing Efficiency.
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Joseph
Wide receivers coach. Meh = C.
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Robinson
Running Back/Recruiting coordinator.
58th in rushing offense and everyone keeps saying we didn't have enough talent. Frankly, a C+ was generous.
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And giving McMahon a C is laughable. Without that dude we lose two more games, maybe more.
91st in Punt Returns and we win the aTm game without the muffed punt but lose the Auburn game without Cole Tracey. Special teams also failed to score vs Bama.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:46 pm to lsu2006
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Can you expound on which losses were "their" losses? This should be good.
I can tell you (even though I don't agree with it) that they will say UF and AtM were on the defense.
You will say they missed some plays but ultimately the offense didn't deliver and got too conservative putting too much pressure on the D.
Then it goes round and round in circles.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:48 pm to BayouBengal99
I agree a lot with what you’re saying butnidknhow you for Aranda a C And Ensminger a C-
The defense is a top 15 scoring defense in regulation.
The offense is in the 70s in regulations.
You’re basically basing your grades on 7 possession that favor the offense and put the defense deepni. Their own territory.
Realistically you could argue Ensminger was trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shut, but he made chicken shite salad.
The defense is a top 15 scoring defense in regulation.
The offense is in the 70s in regulations.
You’re basically basing your grades on 7 possession that favor the offense and put the defense deepni. Their own territory.
Realistically you could argue Ensminger was trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shut, but he made chicken shite salad.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:50 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I can tell you (even though I don't agree with it) that they will say UF and AtM were on the defense
The defense is not without fault in either loss, however those claiming the loss of those games are on the defense are dumb. They expect the defense to flat out win the games for LSU, while giving the offense a pass.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:54 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Aranda B+. He had a couple of bad moments. Texas A&M he never mixed up his scheme. Changing things was needed in overtime.
Ensminger C+. Played scared from time to time. Throughout the year alot of us though Burrow should have run more. As a whole the offense needed to be more aggressive.
Orgeron A-. Needed to push Aranda and Ensminger to correct mistakes. Recruiting is going well. Kids played hard. We had a great season. If you think about how the defensive line played one might downgrade Orgeron. It is Orgeron's area. DLine played the run fantastic. The pass rush was non existent though
Jerry Sullivan Wider Receiver Coach C-. Wide receivers did not play well. Watching him coach stylistically the kids seem to get lost in the details. He really micro coaches. Too much
Ensminger C+. Played scared from time to time. Throughout the year alot of us though Burrow should have run more. As a whole the offense needed to be more aggressive.
Orgeron A-. Needed to push Aranda and Ensminger to correct mistakes. Recruiting is going well. Kids played hard. We had a great season. If you think about how the defensive line played one might downgrade Orgeron. It is Orgeron's area. DLine played the run fantastic. The pass rush was non existent though
Jerry Sullivan Wider Receiver Coach C-. Wide receivers did not play well. Watching him coach stylistically the kids seem to get lost in the details. He really micro coaches. Too much
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:44 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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Combined coaching score of C- or D+. So glad we got rid of Miles.
Me too. It was so damn aggravating watching Miles and his inept offense struggle to get this program to 8, 9 and 10 win seasons.
It's so much more exciting watching the o and e show and their explosive 78th ranked offense blowout opponents, week after week, leading us to back to back 9 win regular seasons.
WE COMIN' BOYS!!!
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